On Saturday 25 November 2006 17:26, Cristian Rodriguez wrote:
migration to PHP5 for the large part of applications out there is very simple.
You're saying it's too much hassle for the distro to make a PHP4 package available, but simple for small developers to start one-off migrations of various applications like CMS, webmail, etc? Hmm - a novel view, but not an entirely logical one.
this is caused by a chicken and egg problem... if we provide both PHP4 and 5 , peeple will stay in php4 and we will have to support it and theyu will not move...
Again, Cristian, you have this the wrong way up. Do you seriously think any of these lower-tier hosters give a fiddler's toss about what SUSE puts in its distro - "gee, guys, SUSE has stopped supporting PHP4 - let's rip out all our systems and upgrade straight away; and we'd better do it quick because they'll be moving to PHP6 two releases from now". Get real - this is an installed base, and it's not going to change overnight. If you don't see the logic here, I'm actually somewhat worried to hear that you're working for SUSE. :-) In any case, I didn't suggest that you needed to have it fully supported - something along the lines Michal suggested, of having packages available, would be quite OK. That means we can deal with PHP4 stuff if we need to, for as long as it is in the system out there.
You may be in the luxurious position of telling a client to move hosters
Kinda, telling customers to get a decent hosting platform.
Hmm - I rest my case. My saying that the earth is flat will not make it so.
Well, you better start sending emails right now to all those web-hosters who are still offering it. :-)
Well, We are not webhosters, we produce an stable linux distribution, and as you can see, those who decide what suse contains, seems to agree with me on this topic, that's why since 10.1 there is no ( and will not be) PHP4 anymore.
As I said, it's entirely up to SUSE to decide what to put in their distro. However, much as we'd like to, we can't all be members of cutting-edge teams in large enterprises. Maybe SUSE is in truth only interested in these, but as I said in my OP, in that case it would be nice to have it spelt out somewhere - things like this are far more important criteria for deciding on distros than the recent Microsoft flap, IMO.
Again, if you are interested you can join the buildservice and create a package yourself but you have to consult /dev/urandom in case of problems, I mantain most of the php stuff there and Im unwilling to work on this ,for a very large list of technical reasons.
Well, I did send an email enquiring about an account some time ago, but got no reply. :-) Anyway, there's no point having this take up any more bytes on the list - I've raised a request, and if it's been logged it's up to SUSE how it's dealt with. End of thread. But please remember, in the midst of your (very highly-appreciated, I might add) work on developing SUSE, that a lot of us are trying to *use* that platform in the real world, where things may be messier than we'd like them to be. -- Pob hwyl / Best wishes Kevin Donnelly www.kyfieithu.co.uk - KDE yn Gymraeg www.eurfa.org.uk - Geiriadur rhydd i'r Gymraeg www.rhedadur.org.uk - Rhedeg berfau Cymraeg www.cymrux.org.uk - Linux Cymraeg ar un CD -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org