On 16/11/15 21:31, Richard Brown wrote:
On 16 November 2015 at 11:27, Daniel Bauer <linux@daniel-bauer.com> wrote:
Am 16.11.2015 um 10:55 schrieb Basil Chupin:
The one theme which I can see running thru your post above is that the only distros which worked for you were those you installed from 'scratch'. While your opening statement that you installed Leap/KDE on Lenovo G505 does NOT indicate that it was installed as a new, clean install and I therefore come to the conclusion that you did a zypper dup to get Leap/KDE - but I may be wrong.
I, personally, NEVER, upgrade to a newer release by using zypper dup (well, I did once, many years ago but learnt to never do it again).
Talk again when you have installed Leap 42 as a new installation from a newly burnt ISO, OK?
BTW, LibreOffice works fine in Leap, and so does Wallet (which I at first hated the sight of but now see that it is of some use).
I believe it is *essential* that an upgrade can be done without a new install.
Of course many are just playing with their computers, but at least some need it for work. To install all the programs again, finding all the settings and adjustments again... is a huge amount of time, and even after weeks or month suddenly seldom used things don't work, when you use them for the first time on the new install, and there you are on google again and again.
And if you take your old /home with you there are countless issues and "rare behaviours" because of settings that conflict with newer software and have not been adjusted, as an upgrade would/should do it.
In my case, additionally, as a reiserfs user (yes, it's old-times, but it works and it works great on fully encrypted systems) a new install is not possible, because there is no more option for reiserfs. And as seen on this and other lists, the new defaut file system is only for people who enjoy to spend their time repairing their unaccessible machines every once in a while.
If a distro cannot be upgraded safely to a new version, then this distro is simply out of the game for me.
I agree, Basil's opinion does not reflect the opinion of the openSUSE Project as a whole, nor the experience of thousands of users who have already used either the offline (from disk) or online (from zypper dup) methods of upgrading.
Which is fine with me. I have my way of keeping my system working without hassles, you have your method, and others have theirs. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.9 & kernel 4.3.0-4 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org