houghi schrieb:
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So you agree that SUSE has non-OSS in it. At least indirectly. This could be done with mp3 and dvd stuff as well. <snip>
ok, at that point of view I agree - even I think a driver is a little other thing than "normal" software like a codec for MP3 or a player that can hanlde DVD+CSS.
( hmm, I don't know if that term matches here, because "open source" for fonts .... I don't know. but they are free of charge as they are at the MS-site).
There is a difference betwee open source and free software. We are talking free as in speech, not free as in beer.
I know that that are two views of two different things. but as I wrote it, I was thing of the source of a font - has it a source ? I don't know, so I asked for the "open source" for fonts myself. the source for the "core MS fonts" is open source - you can get it at source forge. the question is if the fonts that are included into it are open source - and because I don't know how the truetype-fonts will be made I can't say if there is a source at least.
If there would be a closed source to be installed, so be it. (as long as it is legal).
ok - that deepends on the look of view of every user himself. there are out a lot of people who *never* would mix a OSS-system with closed software, and some say "uh - why not". how mutch software has to be OSS, and how mutch software could be closed software, so the hole system is still OSS ? I don't know.
That is their good right. You will never be forced to install the software.
if you like to hear MP3 and watch DVD+CSS and you want to be on the legal side of life - you have to install it.
same as obove. I think it depends on the look of view of individuals. but I think that not mutch of users of a OSS-system would buy a software
It is strange that you tell this on openSUSE, wich three goals are working to make SUSE better. SUSE is buyable in boxed sets.
of cource it is ! and I like that, as I think I would get the next version also as a boxed version. but if you read in some forums where is a discussion about OSS, and the way distros are made and buyable at shops, you will see that many people didn't understand that there could be a differend between "for free" and "without charge". there are many people who think that selling software that deppends on OSS is a crue. so why should these people buy those software ? they wouldn't.
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PS: yes, I would pay for the software - even when it's closed. but I will have to think about it if buy the boxed version again and that will came out without the needed tools. then it would be better they put 5 Euros on top of the price I have to pay already for the box, and I'm happy with it. but not without it.
The ideal would be to have the closed source that you need to buy to get your stuff together seperated from the box, the website or even the OS itself. That way people who are not interested do not need to pay for it and people who want it can still pay for it.
that are not the only options - as I've written already. the Realplayer can play MP3, is closed software with influence of there OSS Helix, and free for all. real networks pays for the licence, but give it out without any charge. thats a possible way for Novell also I think. (OK, at that point it could be complex already again - Real networks makes money with there stuff at real.com, like the shop, the games etc etc, so they need a way to get the user on there site - with a free player].
In an ideal world all source would be open and it is nice to talk about that. Unfortunatly this will not happen and we need to deal with that. Doing something illegal is not an option for openSUSE, so we are stuck with either no DVD watching, or paying up in some way or another.
I do totaly agree with that !
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
;) Ok, then I will while paying for it I think ;) but there will be another reason why I would get the boxed version - this is another way to support openSUSE :) regards, JBScout PS: sorry for all who have to read my english - not the best one I think :( ;)