On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 3:41 AM, Richard Brown
For the last 6 of those 17 years, openSUSE has been talking about using systemd
From my experience, over the years the number 1 issue I've had with most linux distros is dependency hell. You try to remove something unneeded/unwanted and you almost get a broken system. I come from CP/M, DOS, & OS/2. While each had it's own issues, when you got them running right, they ran. With Linux, it seems I'm always having to update everything all the time. I like the LTS approach that uBuntu uses(just don't care for uBuntu). If we had something like that on openSUSE(kinda like SLE but more open) I'd probably use it. Heck, I
I have been busy with life and not that involved. I generally just lurk and comment very occasionally. I'm not saying systemd is all bad or that it doesn't make things better for a lot of people. My point is that it's trying to take over the whole ecosystem, which isn't what it was presented to folks as originally. First it was an init replacement, then they kept adding in all these other services and it's becoming a ogre in the corner. Why should a desktop (GNOME) require an init system as a dependency? Even though people were told that KDE4 was the way it was, we have a team at openSUSE keeping KDE3 alive and we have TDE(which is what I use) as well. So, we have choice. think my server is still running 12.3....... I looked through all your use cases, and they don't really apply to me. I have simple needs for my own systems as well as the few systems I babysit. Shoot, I still have an 11.0 system in production at one place - mainly because it has never had an issue and never given a problem other than a hardware failure(RAM) about a year ago). It just runs file/print services, and does daily backups of the client systems. It has net access, but it's behind a robust firewall. There's a spare drive that gets cloned bi-yearly for the root drive that sits in a firesafe). Nice and simple. Choice is really what a lot of people want. We have different distros, different DEs(KDE vs GNOME and the rest), different browsers(Firefox vs Chrome), different editors(emacs vs vi), and so on. Why is it that we can't have a choice in init? Now, I'm aware that keeping a distro going is a monumental task, and I don't expect miracles. I'm not asking the devs to fight the river of change now. I just don't see why we need to let systemd creep over and keep swallowing other non init services and functions. It's like they are stacking the deck for their own pet projects - If they create a dependency on something with systemd, then they take control of the project. When it is going to become GNU/systemd? Or just systemdOS?(and hey, if people want that then go for it. There's still the BSDs and Slackware). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org