Am Samstag, 18. Juni 2011, 22:40:18 schrieb Bob S:
Sven, you are just a rah rah boy for KDE4 and have been since 4.0 when it didn't work a all.
Any real evidence for that or just some statement that comes in handy if one runs out of objective criticism regarding my statements? Let me see what links you got regarding the 4.0 and the rah rah.
Defending the undefendable and chastising people who had the gall to criticize it. Making broad sweeping statements about how much better this is for us and we just don't understand and appreciate it. You continue to do that now based on only your own opinion.
Where did I say in my former email that KDE4 is better than xy or better for everybody? I claimed that working IMAP is more important for me than not being able to run KDE without having to install akonadi or nepomuk or them being used for an addressbook. In fact you yourself support that claim because a not working IMAP after resume ends in "cannot work" whereas an imposed link between a database and the addressbook does not. Apart from the "indexer" not having to do anything with that. Further I said, people have a choice whether they want to use KDE4 or not. And that just because xy does not like or need feature zy it is wrong to assume that it is useless or the wrong approach for the majority of users. And I will repeat myself again, if KDE4 does not listen to its users – it will die. Unless you put some money into some real market research that's the only way to find out for real whether it loses more users/developers than it gains or not. I never even questioned that KDE4 does lose users, every app/brand etc. does so.
Well, it isn't better for all of us.
Who is "us"? The few that rant on this mailinglist or the many that just use KDE4 for their work? Isn't it a bit – let's say – not well thought through that you make such a broad sweeping statement right after you criticise me for allegedly doing so? If you want to get into contact with KDE folks this is the wrong place. So even if you were interested in objective criticism, you will not reach the people you want to talk to on this mailinglist. That is if you are interested in change. This is more of a "share knowledge and opinion" place. There is opensuse-kde@ which would be slightly closer but still wrong since most KDE developers do not work for openSUSE/Novell. Move your arguments to the KDE mailinglists and talk to the developers if you think you have a valid point and are not just interested in finding others that share your opinion.
FYI I have tried to accept the inevitable laboring through each iteration of supposed progrssion with great dissapointment and declining hope. Now that we have reached 4.6 I am beginning to like it with renewed hope for the future releases.
BUT!!!, As long as I cannot have a working address book I CANNOT use it. That IS a showstopper. So please save your breath about the "advantages" we do not appreciate because of our ignorance.
You cannot use KDE4 because of the "imposed link between kaddressbook and database indexers"? (You agreed with kanenas on this) First, what indexer? Second, why would that result in "cannot use"? Or do you actually mean "do not want to use"? The latter is perfectly fine, the former does not make sense to me since as long as the address book stores addresses and you can pick addresses from it via kmail it works for all those users who use it for that purpose, i.e. a simple address book. Whether there is an imposed link does not make this functionality not work. But there are certainly advanced features which might hold you back. What features are missing in kdepim 4.6's addressbook? Distribution lists? That's one feature which was missing and now we can argue about how many people use it. Yet it is fact that nobody cared enough to get involved – same old story, no will to invest time/money for something that is allegedly crucial to ones productivity but lots of time to write about what one does not like about xy. Never mind. Anyway, if you add a new address book to your kdepim 4.6's kaddressbook and pick "add new contact group" after that, you can set-up lists with contacts. And you can pick those groups from kmail's composer, either by auto-completion or clicking on the "add" button next to the address-field. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org