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On 16 July 2017 at 07:25, L A Walsh firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Anton Aylward wrote:
I really really really think that you're being ridiculous. There are always man pages available. Even when I have no power and all my network is shut down and I don't have my laptop I can take my tablet across to the coffee shop and use the wifi there to read on-line man pages.
If there is no power, how does your tablet work? FWIW, I don't have a tablet.
What you are really saying here is that you expect to be able to deal with these problems by never having bothered to familiarise yourself with the capabilities when you do have an up and running system, read the man pages and the on-line how-to articles, keep a daybook where you note these things, try them out, experiment and familiarise yourself with their workings.
"when I have a up and running system" -- that's when things work. Every time I've tried anything associated with xD (=sysD from subj), I've never gotten to a working system.
Well, BtrFS is the FS that's the default setting in an out-of-the-box instillation.
If you installed when it was the default setting. I didn't. When I installed my system there was no initrd. Things booted from disk.
As for 'conservative', I beg to differ. I'm a lot more conservative than you. I run a very vanilla system, a plain old initrd.
That's not conservative -- that's modern/latest fad. Systems booted from disk long before booting from an initrd.
I don't install any of the features or modification that you have discussed in the past.
As I stated before. My system has been configure when the current features were opensuse standard. Even XFS was the suse standard FS when I installed it. Initrd, btrfs, etc. All those are recent, bleeding edge innovations. They are not well vetted or tested for my primary system.
The difference between us is that I'm obsessive about reading: tech papers, development notes, developers blogs, man pages, hot-to pages. And I make notes, I keeps a daybook, I note ideas and the results of things I try out.
I can't read my writing, not to mention I type faster than write. If it isn't in my computer, I won't find it.
Many of the things I try out result form matters discussed on this list, which I also read, excepting only matters that are so far away from anything I'm running, things about, for example, KDE3.
The things I try, there is usually no answer for. Someone claimed xD used standard methods to talk between xD modules so it was "open".
I have tried running dbus on my desktop and on my server, and tried to get them to communicate -- turns out no one had ever bothered to put in networking -- it's speced for it, but no one ever implemented it.
I used shell-script files to patch something together that worked.
That's what I do on boot when something doesn't work -- if it is in an unfinished and non-standard tool (xD), then I can't expect to use it to get anything to work. xD isn't stable and hasn't stabilized YET. Each new release breaks more things. I don't call using it on your primary systems "conservative".
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