On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 3:20 AM, Larry Stotler <larrystotler@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 11:02 PM, David C. Rankin <drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com> wrote:
I think you identified the competing sides with laser-beam precision. Intelligence is not wisdom. When you get those rare discussions on the deeper issue, (regardless of the diplomacy used) it's worth taking a moment to (try) and understand what is being said -- and why. It applies in all facets of life and if only there were a way to include that lesson as part of the standard curriculum -- this ole world would only be the better for it. Whether the wisdom be about software design paradigms, civil responsibility, or each singular issue in between. And... if it just also happens to have all the hallmarks for a good street fight where one side is being intellectually pummeled in a colorful way -- that's just icing on the cake :)
Part of the problem with "progress" is that people are either forced to accept it or forced to find ways around it. The systemd devs have created a great many tools that some people find useful(avahi, pulseaudio, etc) but which others do not. I personally don't find any value in them, but I don't care if others use them(semantic desktop anyone??). I just prefer to be able to not have them installed. I remember when I once tried to remove avahi from an openSUSE install years ago, and it basically would have broken everything. However, a fresh install with it tabooed worked just fine.
Linux is a great tool, but as with any tool, it has it's uses. When a change is made, it can have a positive or negative benefit depending on the user. I personally didn't move to KDE4 even when I was told to "get over it and get with the times". Fortunately for me, I have the ability to install and use TDE instead, which serves my desktop purposes. Unfortunately, systemd has basically become a dependency on installation for so many things that it's not like a choice between Desktop environments or editors(vi vs emacs - I use neither - Midnight Commanders built-in editor does what I need). And while I have made use of susestudio, it's lagging behind as has been pointed out before.
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In the long run, it's up to each person to decide if the changes implemented by the project leaders(who can't please everybody) are a deal breaker or not. Resources are far from infinite and IMNSHO Linux's biggest problem is fragmentation more than anything else. With Windows or Mac OS, you have 1 OS and several versions to choice from. With Linux, you have hundreds of distros and many versions of each. You even have dozens of BSDs to chose from. Projects like the Linux Standard Base and others tried to make things more uniform, but even then you have .deb vs .rpm and so much more.
Sometimes too much choice is worse than having basically no choice at all. People are stubborn and will support their choice no matter what anyone says.
I am confused by these arguments. At the beginning you complain there is not enough fragmentation, then at the end you complain there is too much. Which is it? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org