-----Original Message----- From: Billie Walsh <bilwalsh@swbell.net> To: opensuse@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse] HTML Editor recommendation - in openSuse repositories Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 07:47:25 -0600 On 02/27/2013 07:15 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:
Billie Walsh said the following on 02/26/2013 09:52 PM:
I build a lot of web pages for genealogy and history web sites. Quanta was the best editor ever. Still get a tear in my eye when I think about it. I now use Bluefish. I really didn't like it at first. I always liked to customize tags that I use all the time. In Quanta it was easy to customize tags. Bluefish is not particularly user friendly in this way. You have to edit an XML file named "snippets" to create custom tags. As I've gotten used to it Bluefish is alright. Would still rather have Quanta back.
Context is Everything.
When I build for a web site I wouldn't dream of doing it page by page! I use a CMS. I prefer Radiant, but there are many others. YMMV. I use Radiant 'cost its the simplest; you may want to feed your Inner Geek and use something that demands more fiddling such as Drupal.
Why a CMS? Ease of consistency and site management/level tools. I can use a simple markup language (RedCloth) and forget about HTML. The 'generator' does HTML.
So why this thread?
I recently asked about printing web pages to PDF files while preserving links. This is a step along the way.
Some sites have an option to 'print' that uses different CSS and so eliminates the sidebars and adverts. I can do similar by editing the CSS with a FF plugin such as http://chrispederick.com/work/web-developer/
But even so, sometimes the HTML needs a cleanup beyond what HTML Tidy can do.
Why? Well if I use OpenOffice/LibreOffice to 'import' the page I can get it to make a PDF with working links. But those tools can't handle messy HTML.
Sorry, I have no idea what a "CMS" is. I see where your coming from, I just have different methods of getting there. I have around twenty different county/state websittes for genealogy and history and babysit something in the order of two hundred more. All of my sites have their own individual look. I do everything in HTML. All WYSIWYG does in inflate my blood pressure and aggravate me. I can't figure out how to get things the way *I* want them. If I'm doing something like a book transcription I will create a template and just paste in the different information for each chapter/page. But, that gets really boring really fast. I could get by just fine with Kate but my poor old hands don't like all that typing. They are much happier if I can just click a button and insert whatever tags I want. Besides that, my typing skills really suck. I never learned to type properly. To me writing HTML is like painting a picture. I see the "image" I want to create in my head and write the HTML to make it a reality. To me writing HTML to create a web page is fun and relaxing. Niether one of us right or wrong. Just different style. Good luck in your search for an editor that fits your needs. Doing web pages shouldn't be work, it should be fun. -----Original Message----- Hi Billy, The mere thought of CMS is to separate the content from the layout, rather handy if you have a lot of pages, many changing pages and have a consistant layout. Some of them include a sort of editor, some don't. If you are working with several people in a site, CMS can handle rights, which can be nice if sites grow large, and you want to delegate pre-defined parts to specific users. Another reason why people choose to use certain CMS's is the sheer number of modules/plugins that are available: When coding, i rather use the libs of CPAN instead of re-re-inventig the wheel again. But as you said: nothing is wrong, with doing it all yourself in plain html/php/perl/python. Either way, you have a learning curve: getting to know all the ins-and-outs of html, or understanding the way the CMS-designers. Once you've done thousands pages the old fashioned way ;-) it is hard the find the way to do the same in TYPO3, mambo, Joomla, Drupal, etc etc: You have to think differently. Hans -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org