Hi, it's me again, First part - explanations, apologies, etc Second part - no more rants, go for constructive action 1st part -------- I see a lot of list users took my post as a negative and destructive one, and even found me being a troll. I am very deeply sorry for that. I see that many of you will not believe, but my original intention with this post was truly positive. I just took some liberty to disclose two samples of my own experience taken in 6-year time span. I am aware of the main purpose of this list and, being member for a long time long time, I know that ramblings like this are not welcomed by most members. God knows why, I hoped this time it will be different. I hoped the list users will take me as a serious witness of old times, someone who can give a pretty fair comparison. Indeed, how many of current list users were here in the times of suse 6/7/8/9 ? And, how many of those who were here in that times are not here any more? (Just wandering, no need for an answer.) So, I see, I took too much liberty - trying to act as someone who can see a broader picture. OK. I was wrong. I am sorry. But I'd appreciate if you could stop calling me a troll. I am still your friend, just thinking aloud and with less political correctness. But friend. I want to say also that I was not complaining. Not at all. I use factory deliberately. In the past (and it was all suse releases from 6.4 on) I got used to update regularly to whatever was the latest repo of the time. It was my choice. And, I can manage it. I rarely come to this list with questions. Most of my problems I can solve on my own. If not, I search through the list archives. I keep a copy of all list messages locally on one of my disks, and almost have no need for googleing through archives. And I manage all my converted friends' machines as well. 2nd part -------- I see that many of you think that using factory might be the sole cause of my bad experience. But, at the moment, I don't have any suse comp that is not factory. So, here I am, asking for help: I want a stable KDE4 opensuse 11.3 machine that is updated to the latest bug-fixes from the kernel all the way up to the apps like openoffice, mozilla stuff (F-fox and T-bird) and mp3-aware multimedia (audio/video/webcam). And yes I am ready to give up compiz and go for kwin effects. I am ready to build up one really stable and well behaving installation. I want to get the same experience as all other happy people on the list. Could you please, help me with the list of repos that I have to use, besides the ones that come with fresh install. I sincerely want to give it a try. And, don't kill me, please! Friends, remember? ~rms~ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org