On 07/20/2014 11:02 PM, Carl Hartung wrote:
Did you already know how to do this or is there a guide somewhere?
"Bleedin' obvious, ain't it?" as someone once said. Don't be snarky. I asked a sincere question and hadn't done any reading up on it at all. To reiterate, adding a new DE to my 'daily workhorse' has not been on my radar. I was drawn into the discussion by Marcos' comments and that's all. You gave a wonderfully complete answer, above, which I appreciate. Please don't demean it with unnecessary sarcasm.
What you read as 'sarcasm' was meant as 'astonishment'. How else would you expect to install an application from a repository if not by using zypper or the "zypper function by another name" GUI in Yast? So of course its "Bleedin' obvious".
No, really. Marco gave this http://it.opensuse.org/Portal:Cinnamon and I tried this http://opensuse.org/Portal:Cinnamon and BINGO!
Mind you, having already started up cinnamon and tried out various things it didn't tell me anything I hadn't already discovered.
Did you create a new user and sign into that account using Cinnamon for the first time?
Excuse me? Why? How is that different from logging in with an existing account and using cinnamon for the fist time ... With that account?
Was the process seamless or did you have to fiddle around?
It depends what you mean by that. The first thing I did was change the background and font size so I could see what was on screen more clearly. That's me an my environment, so it may not really count.
I know 'fiddling around' can mean a lot of things. I really meant having to spend a lot of time getting things to open and run right or not crash and that kind of thing ... adjusting regular settings to suit your preferences is to be expected in any DE.
The closest thing to a 'crash' was that blitheration about hardware settings. Actually it was remarkably unclear and unhelpful. It was pure guesswork that I took it to mean that I should turn "NoAcell" off. And so, about 5 minutes later, the video locked up. I went back to having that annoying balloon permanently on screen. Its one reason I think lxde and xfce make better alternatives to the weight of KDE. But then as Felix points out, its easy enough to disable all the eye candy, and since I run KDE without that eye candy, why not?
While In system settings I stepped though each item to see what was there and made some adjustments to see what happened.
As I said, a lot of what I though should happen, would have happened if this was KDE systemsettings and could be "OK/apply" never happened until I logged out and logged back in.
In the scheme of things, this is pretty minor.
In *YOUR* scheme of things... In mine, I want the option of "cancel 'cos I really didn't mean that" and feedback in the here and now when possible -- as in if its possible with KDE and lxde and xfce then it should be possible with cinnamon.
Related to your other question, where I wrote "stay out of the way," I meant it from the perspective that once I figure out how something works, it should just work that way consistently and not cause me to stop and think about what it's doing. When it's a habit, by definition, it should no longer require paying much attention.
I keep saying "context is everything" and perhaps that applies here. Perhaps in a Gnomic context some of what goes on in system settings and what isn't there and things like the 'click on the top left corner to add more workspaces' are cultural norms in a Gnomic context but for someone coming from KDE (or even, dread the thought, Joe Sixpack's grandmother coming from a Windows 98 context) there is a lot of stopping and thinking required. Its part of learning an unfamiliar 'context'. Its why Grandma is reluctant to move to Linux even though she will still be using Thunderbird and Firefox. It the fear of having to deal with something different. That's what I meant by "Bleedin' obvious". It no different installing cinnamon than it was lxde of xfce, (or e16 for that matter), or even Thunderbird and Firefox or ... Yes, habits are as you say, but I can't imagine a UI that works differently by day of the week or phase of the moon so of course its consistent. Even the most lame and brain-damaged DE. Heck, I'm sure e17 will be consistent, but I dread learning it. -- /"\ \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML Mail / \ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org