Listmates, Late last week and over the weekend I was chasing an issue where kde greeter problems were preventing X from starting on an Arch box. As part of the troubleshooting process I loaded the new e17 version of the Enlightenment desktop to see if eliminating the kde issues may shed some more light on the problem. At first I was just going to throw Enlightenment on the box, confirm I had no problem with X there and then start digging into qt library mismatches to see what was causing the kde greeter to crash. That was going to be the end on my use of enlightenment. But no. Something had to catch my eye with that desktop and I knew I had just cost myself 5-6 hours of thoroughly going through it to see what made it tick -- and I'm damn glad I did. For those who haven't worked with the e17 desktop before it really blew me away. Great feature set, polish and attention to detail light years beyond blackbox, openbox, fluxbox, icewm and any of the other light-weight desktops that I have worked with. It is enough of a different approach to a desktop that you can't really call it a clone of anything and the effort and refinement that the desktop has been blessed with is more than readily apparent. For working remotely if I need anything more than a ssh session, I usually look for a lightweight desktop that can provide a good level of functionality over forwarded X with the normal tightvnc vncserver/vncviewer setup. Not only did e17 work fantastically in that, but it ultimately blew the competition away with its straight forward layout, application package handling (all your kde apps and all the GTK apps as well. I like darker themes, so I took a look around and there are some dynamite themes for e17. The a-sblack-esp1 theme and a few others just rocked, clean and lightweight enough to work remotely over a wireless connection and not notice any perceptible slowness. http://www.3111skyline.com/download/screenshots/archlinux/e-17-a-sblack- esp1.jpg This is a far more full-featured desktop than any of the box desktops, and the fit and finish is great. If you have never looked at enlightenment and have the need for a lightweight desktop for older hardware or for a desktop to use remotely over a lan or internet connection, I would highly recommend enlightenment. Buildserver has the current e16 package and I think packman has the e17 package as well. It is a complete desktop that comes in an 8 megabyte total download. You can install it on your kde box (or gnome) and it will configure all your kde or gnome app to be there for you a soon as your start. Enough said. It's capabilities and looks completely surprised me and it is well worth the look :-) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org