Xen wrote:
If I am allowed to say anything:
Per Jessen schreef op 29-03-16 19:21:
sdm wrote:
The fact that Wayland barely works and X is a hodge-podge disaster based on code from 1983, just further prooves that Linux (and this includes openSUSE) on the desktop, when we're comparing graphics and GUI's, is behind Windows and has a LONG way to go until it's "feature complete" on on par with Windows.
Why bother comparing? If you like Windows, use it, if you like Linux, use it. I've been running my business without Windows for about ten years.
What if you don't like any of them and want the one you like most to be improved?
Then you've got to go there and try to help/promote it.
That's the same argument as "If you don't like this country, you don't have to live in it". It's another form of saying "GTFO if you don't care about us". It is a selfish act to say something like that. The person who says that is usually fully aware that life somewhere else is not going to be better.
He ought to complain and then start helping improving his own situation.
Anyone who complains wants to do something about it, and anyone who complains is a creative person, you know that. But by stifling the complaint, you are stifling the creativity, and that is apparently what people really want: to make sure nothing real ever happens.
So as a rebuttal (and you don't have to answer to me, I'm sure the person will respond himself):
WHY CRITICISE not only what he says, but also his act of saying it?
Because ANY COMPARISON with Windows is pointless. Maybe 10-15 years ago, but not anymore. Linux is alive and kicking, running most of the world's servers, not to mention the smartphones, and we have multiple desktop environments to choose from. Today you have little reason for staying with Windows if you don't want or have to. There _are_ exceptions, but they are few and far between. (I'm ignoring games).
Why are you trying to disrupt what he does, or rather, why are you trying to place doubt in it, why are you questioning his motives, why are you assuming bad motives here?
I'm doing neither, I just think measuring Linux against Windows belongs in the past.
Why are you promoting a sense of this person being wrong about what he really wants? Why are you saying "what you want is probably going to not be a very good thing"?.
I don't recall saying that.
Why are you (and people do this constantly here, in this Linux world of ours, not just here on OpenSUSE, everywhere) --- why do you people constantly bug everyone who tries to change something?
I apologise, I did not realise the OP was trying to change something. There is plenty of change going on in openSUSE, often much more than I would like, but I have to accept it.
Why are you constantly trying to break down every initiative if it starts with the slightest of a negative appraisal of the current state of affairs? Why do you do that? WHY?
Which initiative are you referring to here?
How much longer are we all going to have to wait, and by that time how much further ahead will Windows be?
Why does it matter? I don't see a race.
It matters because the comparison reveals the field, the scope, the dimension.
Only when you believe Linux and Windows are actually in a competition together. I think they once were, but not any more. TBH, I don't think this discussion belongs here, if you want to continue, I would recommend taking it up on opensuse-offtopic. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (11.3°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org