There are several apps (amarok, skype, gaim, knotes, etc ) on my SUSE10 installation that "autostart" but none of them are in my .kde/Autostart directory. Rather, they are in the "system tray". I have been able to find ONE TINY SPACE on the panel/kicker that allows me to get to the "configure system tray" menu item, but that appears to only allow hide/show of current icons. I browsed the help system and the user manual, without finding what I am looking for. And a google provided really only a couple developer discussions .... So, my questions: 1) how does one add-remove items from the "system tray"? 2)WHY would one autostart an app from the "system tray" instead of putting a shortcut into .kde/Autostart? thnx! Peter -- A standing military force, with an overgrown Executive will not long be safe companions to liberty. The means of defence agst. foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home. Among the Romans it was a standing maxim to excite a war, whenever a revolt was apprehended. Throughout all Europe, the armies kept up under the pretext of defending, have enslaved the people. James Madison Constitutional Convention (June 29, 1787)