On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Sven Burmeister
Thanks! "Mostly", so were are those developers, there must be a few.
If there are I haven't seen any step up to the plate.
Indeed! Yet you fail to see that those using KDE4 are not arguing that KDE3 is shite, which would be silly. They just disagree with the claim that KDE4 is bad, which is not silly at all. If people would just stick to "I like KDE3" without adding "KDE4 is just about bling and hence useless and many others (if not the majority) think so too", they would not be told that their claims are just too extreme to be true.
The KDE4 users are trying to say that KDE4 is a ready replacement for KDE3 when it is not for some, especially those with disability and usability issues. As for the "bling", that's what I call it right or wrong. If I wanted the new "effects" that KDE4 is offering, I would run Mac OS X on my Macs instead of openSUSE and KDE3. My complaints against KDE4 is missing pieces(slowly being taken care of, but not so much for those who don't know about adding in the build service to have these pieces), slower on the same hardware(I have a Celeron DC E1200 overclocked to 3.2Ghz and an nVidia 6200GT and KDE4 IS slower than KDE3, as well as KDE4 is slower on my older hardware as well, so it's not so much a lack of resources issue), KDE4 doesn't use less resources than KDE3, there's no quick and easy way to turn off all these new whiz bang features(rotating windows, widgets, etc - but they have said that they will move KPersonalizer to KDE4), KDE4 is showing driver problems with nVidia, which KDE3 doesn't have, etc. Once most of these issues are resolved, then I may see a reason to use it. I for one would love to see less resources and better speed on older hardware.
It is absolutely not silly to tell people who claim: KDE4 is only about bling and hence useless!, that they are wrong. And to stand firm on that opinion is not religious but sensible. Or would one have to agree with those that tell KDE4 is bad in order not to be religious? I guess that arguments are lacking and hence one tries to pull the ideology/religion bat on those that like KDE4.
No, everyone is too interested in pushing there views and any arguements are just ignored. Several users have explained about usability problems and have been attacked for their issues. THAT's the problem. It's not about what is better. It's about what some of us need/want. I don't want to waste time trying to figure out how to make KDE4 look and work like KDE3, which is WHY I asked about Kpersonalizer. I've been called a KDE4 basher, which is not true. I just see no compelling reason for myself to move to KDE4. 11.1 final MAY change that. 11.2 may be the ticket(more likely). Till then, I, and others, have asked that KDE3 be included, and evidently there were enough voices that the devs decided to include KDE3 in 11.1. Elimination of KDE3 in 11.2 would make sense.
Just read the thread and how often people tell you and the others: If you like KDE3, go on using it, it's your choice, your freedom.
So now I'm being told to go away and use something else and that it's useless to have a voice in this community? Do you speak for the devs? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org