On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 13:56:03 +0100 (CET) "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
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On Saturday, 2018-01-27 at 23:38 -0000, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 22:42:01 +0100 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
On 2018-01-27 22:30, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 19:09:27 +0000 Dave Howorth <> wrote:
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FWIW, there's also a duplicate post by Felix Miata, Display artifacts in Leap 42.3 at 15:59 UTC and it doesn't seem that he's using google.
And also FWIW, I don't see duplicate messages from Andrei Borzenkov, and he uses gmail. So it's not a simple case of gmail duplicating everything it sends to suse.
I don't think you will ever see any duplicate while using a gmail account, because they delete them. You only get the first copy.
I don't use gmail. I don't have any google account. (or facebook, twitter, linkedin etc etc :)
Andrei uses gmail as I said, and as does Dave P but not Felix.
I have seen duplicates from Andrei B.
I haven't today, I don't think. If you can give me a date and time of an occurence, I can check.
Re: [opensuse] /sbin/purge-kernels fails on removing non-installed kernel since rpm -qa report is wrong Message-ID: <63b4b3fb-5c5f-abe9-3627-310244db69f0@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 21:31:09 +0300
1) Received: from mail-lf0-f43.google.com (mail-lf0-f43.google.com [209.85.215.43]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 12B5EAE87 for <opensuse@opensuse.org>; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 20:17:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lf0-f43.google.com with SMTP id q17so4695956lfa.9 for <opensuse@opensuse.org>; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 12:17:27 -0800 (PST)
X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x224QZAWhpWA0NaSU2ftNyvStC7u8+xLwWQQRF1Lfd0PbAqic7lLDpK7Wvki/AUKrrmqNyQrBgw== X-Received: by 10.25.28.82 with SMTP id c79mr9984563lfc.44.1517077870684; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 10:31:10 -0800 (PST)
2) Received: from mail-lf0-f45.google.com (mail-lf0-f45.google.com [209.85.215.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41085ACB2 for <opensuse@opensuse.org>; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 22:16:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lf0-f45.google.com with SMTP id t139so4897565lff.0 for <opensuse@opensuse.org>; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 14:16:07 -0800 (PST)
X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x224QZAWhpWA0NaSU2ftNyvStC7u8+xLwWQQRF1Lfd0PbAqic7lLDpK7Wvki/AUKrrmqNyQrBgw== X-Received: by 10.25.28.82 with SMTP id c79mr9984563lfc.44.1517077870684; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 10:31:10 -0800 (PST)
3) Received: from mail-lf0-f51.google.com (mail-lf0-f51.google.com [209.85.215.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F078AEF6 for <opensuse@opensuse.org>; Sun, 28 Jan 2018 01:24:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lf0-f51.google.com with SMTP id 63so5133667lfv.4 for <opensuse@opensuse.org>; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 17:24:06 -0800 (PST)
X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x224QZAWhpWA0NaSU2ftNyvStC7u8+xLwWQQRF1Lfd0PbAqic7lLDpK7Wvki/AUKrrmqNyQrBgw== X-Received: by 10.25.28.82 with SMTP id c79mr9984563lfc.44.1517077870684; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 10:31:10 -0800 (PST)
4) Received: from mail-lf0-f44.google.com (mail-lf0-f44.google.com [209.85.215.44]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5FB5AF86 for <opensuse@opensuse.org>; Sun, 28 Jan 2018 07:35:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lf0-f44.google.com with SMTP id 63so5571694lfv.4 for <opensuse@opensuse.org>; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 23:35:18 -0800 (PST)
X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x224QZAWhpWA0NaSU2ftNyvStC7u8+xLwWQQRF1Lfd0PbAqic7lLDpK7Wvki/AUKrrmqNyQrBgw== X-Received: by 10.25.28.82 with SMTP id c79mr9984563lfc.44.1517077870684; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 10:31:10 -0800 (PST)
3 and 4 have the ID 63so5571694lfv.4 at google, yet they get D5FB5AF86 and 9F078AEF6 at suse.de, and very different hours: 07:35:18, 01:24:06
case 1 and 2 have different IDs.
However, all have the same ID c79mr9984563lfc.44.1517077870684 at 10.25.28.82.
Felix Miata
Message-ID: <05a87b20-3d79-358a-c31d-2f19ce0837e1@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 10:59:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [opensuse] Display artifacts in Leap 42.3, on oldish laptop with Intel Video
1) Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7374BAE0E for <opensuse@opensuse.org>; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 15:59:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [24.144.120.162] (helo=[192.168.0.11]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4) (envelope-from <mrmazda@earthlink.net>) id 1efStV-0002Nw-6z for opensuse@opensuse.org; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 10:59:53 -0500
2) Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67C2BAF31 for <opensuse@opensuse.org>; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 16:04:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [24.144.120.162] (helo=[192.168.0.11]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4) (envelope-from <mrmazda@earthlink.net>) id 1efStV-0002Nw-6z for opensuse@opensuse.org; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 10:59:53 -0500
In Felix case, note the identical identifier "1efStV-0002Nw-6z" at earthlink.net, while there are two at suse.de: 67C2BAF31 and 7374BAE0E
So, I don't think google is the culprit here, but suse.de server. Probably it is reporting to the preceding server that the receiving failed (or not reporting at all), while it did succeed. The preceeding server tries again, some times six hours later.
Yes, although google clearly plays some part. Your messages via telefonica are normally duplicate-free, but the one you sent using gmail is duplicated. At this point, I suppose the suse logs are probably easier to check, or I wonder if it is possible to use telnet or suchlike to send mail to suse and see what happens?
IMHO, the issue is caused by mx2.suse.de
I haven't seen this problem on any other list, certainly. And it has got much, much worse here in the past few days. To the point it is an annoyance rather than an amusement now.
Yep.
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