Hmmm, I just looked at build.opensuse.org and there are two maintainers for TeX Live, but when I go to their opensuse.org pages, TeX Live does not show up in their list of packages they contribute to. So has this package become stagnant? If it has, I volunteer for maintaining it. I used to work for the American Mathematical Society so I know Tex Live, and before that teTeX, plus have lots of software building and publishing experience. I know of a few people who contribute to TeX Live (or at least did). I am quite sure I can figure out OBS and how to get it up-to-date with newer TeX Live packages. Tom

On Jan 26, 2018, at 15:49:31, SFseis . wrote:

Thanks for your answers, I did it the "hard" way now. 1. rm texlive from software 2. install texlive from https://www.tug.org/texlive/ manually inside /home directory and then 3. edit PATH of texmaker for it to find texlive. I installed texmaker from the official repoes and locked texlive from being installed (because texmaker otherwise would have pulled all texlive as dependency).

I have now texlive with a recent version up and running :)

On 1/26/18, Dave Plater wrote:

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On 26/01/2018 01:20, SFseis . wrote:

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Hello,

my first question to the mailing list: I just installed Leap 42.3 and noticed that my Latex files won't compile anymore because of an outdated Circuitkz 0.6 (2016-6-6), current is 0.8.3 (2017-5-28) and I need at least 0.8.2 (2017-5-1).

What can I do? Can I just install Texlive from TW repository?

https://software.opensuse.org/find shows the 2016-6-6 from the devel project for 42.3 so I should imagine that you may have problems with the Tumbleweed version. Dave P

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On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 11:22:04PM +0000, Tom Kacvinsky wrote:

Hmmm, I just looked at build.opensuse.org and there are two maintainers for TeX Live, but when I go to their opensuse.org pages, TeX Live does not show up in their list of packages they contribute to. So has this package become stagnant? If it has, I volunteer for maintaining it. I used to work for the American Mathematical Society so I know Tex Live, and before that teTeX, plus have lots of software building and publishing experience. I know of a few people who contribute to TeX Live (or at least did). I am quite sure I can figure out OBS and how to get it up-to-date with newer TeX Live packages.

Tom

Hmmm ... as I'm the maintainer/bugowner of TeXLive I'd like to state that all binaries including asymptote and the perl for biber coming with the TeXLive version are build with the system libraries as well as with the perl version respectivly the compiler version, flags, and setup used for all packages for a distribution. Beside this all packages requiring TeXLive for build e.g. their documentation will be build with the TeXLive version from exactly this distribution. And this depends heavily on the availble libraries, compiler, and perl packages available for Leap. On the other hand the TeXLive from tug.org does not depend on those packages and libraries as those will be installed as well ignoring system libraries (key word LD_LIBRARY_PATH -> ld(1)), perl verison. as well as the compiler version, flags, and setup. In fact for TeXLive 2017 it had become very difficult to get biber to work with the old or missing perl packages. Also it had shown that many pacakges had to be adopted to build their documentation with the new TeXLive version. Nevertheless, every helper is welcome who has the time and is willingly to spend some time to get TeXLive 2017 working on Leap 42.3. Werner -- "Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like having a peeing section in a swimming pool." -- Edward Burr

Carlos E. R. wrote:

On Friday, 2018-01-26 at 15:14 +0200, Dave Plater wrote:

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On 26/01/2018 01:20, SFseis . wrote:

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Hello,

my first question to the mailing list: I just installed Leap 42.3 and noticed that my Latex files won't compile anymore because of an outdated Circuitkz 0.6 (2016-6-6), current is 0.8.3 (2017-5-28) and I need at least 0.8.2 (2017-5-1).

What can I do? Can I just install Texlive from TW repository?

https://software.opensuse.org/find shows the 2016-6-6 from the devel project for 42.3 so I should imagine that you may have problems with the Tumbleweed version. Dave P

This post has arrived at least three times on the list.

Yep, it does look like it was sent a few times. Maybe Google screwed it up. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (6.4°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 12:44:25 +0200 Dave Plater wrote:

On 27/01/2018 10:11, Per Jessen wrote:

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This post has arrived at least three times on the list. Yep, it does look like it was sent a few times. Maybe Google screwed it up. The mailing list archives also show only one post

Yes, your post arrived five times here, and this reply showed up twice. Each copy has the same time listed, although they arrive at different times. There seems to be some problem with your posts specifically. There are some differences in the headers of the two copies of this message that I got. The relevant bits seem to be: 35,37c35,37 < by relay2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E4C852C7E7 < for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 10:50:06 +0000 (UTC) < Received: from mail-wr0-f171.google.com (mail-wr0-f171.google.com [209.85.128.171]) ---

by relay2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 29D592C160 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 11:02:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wr0-f179.google.com (mail-wr0-f179.google.com [209.85.128.179]) 40,43c40,43 < by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 20370AD6D < for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 10:44:37 +0000 (UTC) < Received: by mail-wr0-f171.google.com with SMTP id f11so2562767wre.4 < for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 02:44:37 -0800 (PST) --- by mx1.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 30634ADFA for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 10:56:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wr0-f179.google.com with SMTP id 36so2587155wrh.1 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 02:56:14 -0800 (PST)

which seem to suggest that google sent two copies to suse. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 12:45:04 +0000 Dave Howorth wrote:

On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 12:00:44 +0000 Dave Howorth wrote:

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On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 12:44:25 +0200 Dave Plater wrote:

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On 27/01/2018 10:11, Per Jessen wrote:

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This post has arrived at least three times on the list. Yep, it does look like it was sent a few times. Maybe Google screwed it up. The mailing list archives also show only one post

Yes, your post arrived five times here, and this reply showed up twice. Each copy has the same time listed, although they arrive at different times. There seems to be some problem with your posts specifically. There are some differences in the headers of the two copies of this message that I got. The relevant bits seem to be:

35,37c35,37 < by relay2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E4C852C7E7 < for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 10:50:06 +0000 (UTC) < Received: from mail-wr0-f171.google.com (mail-wr0-f171.google.com [209.85.128.171]) ---

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by relay2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 29D592C160 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 11:02:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wr0-f179.google.com (mail-wr0-f179.google.com [209.85.128.179]) 40,43c40,43 < by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 20370AD6D < for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 10:44:37 +0000 (UTC) < Received: by mail-wr0-f171.google.com with SMTP id f11so2562767wre.4 < for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 02:44:37 -0800 (PST) --- by mx1.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 30634ADFA for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 10:56:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wr0-f179.google.com with SMTP id 36so2587155wrh.1 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 02:56:14 -0800 (PST)

which seem to suggest that google sent two copies to suse.

and now I've received a third copy

by relay1.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 699B226049 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 12:00:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wr0-f175.google.com (mail-wr0-f175.google.com [209.85.128.175])

and now the fourth by relay1.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3658726021 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 12:47:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wr0-f171.google.com (mail-wr0-f171.google.com [209.85.128.171]) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 14:52:26 +0200 Dave Plater wrote:

On 27/01/2018 14:00, Dave Howorth wrote: [snip]

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which seem to suggest that google sent two copies to suse. Thanks for the clarification, obviously the archives and thunderbird hide duplicates. I'm going to blame Thunderbird, I've been using it for years but now it's getting jerky and hangs from time to time. Time to find another email gui. Dave P

Good idea. Getting one that didn't run on your reply into the quoted original would also help :) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 16:18:37 +0200 Dave Plater wrote:

On 27/01/2018 15:37, Dave Howorth wrote:

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On 27/01/2018 14:00, Dave Howorth wrote: [snip]

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which seem to suggest that google sent two copies to suse. Thanks for the clarification, obviously the archives and thunderbird hide duplicates. I'm going to blame Thunderbird, I've been using it for years but now it's getting jerky and hangs from time to time. Time to find another email gui. Dave P Good idea. Getting one that didn't run on your reply into the quoted original would also help :) I've had that complaint as well. There's already a ">" above and

On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 14:52:26 +0200 Dave Plater wrote: this time I've added a \n as well. Dave P

Whatever you did didn't seem to make any difference. FWIW, there's also a duplicate post by Felix Miata, Display artifacts in Leap 42.3 at 15:59 UTC and it doesn't seem that he's using google. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R. composed on 2018-01-27 22:16 (UTC+0100):

Dave Howorth wrote:

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FWIW, there's also a duplicate post by Felix Miata, Display artifacts in Leap 42.3 at 15:59 UTC and it doesn't seem that he's using google.

You are right, I can confirm. It duplicates at entry to mx2.suse.de.

Since first of year, I get many opensuse list duplicates, and many warnings about bouncing, but only from opensuse lists. http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Suse/emailbouncing20180125.jpg It seems to me something to do with the software the opensuse lists are using must have changed since last month, or maybe November, when I got the first 3 bounce messages I can recall ever getting from an opensuse list. Today so far I've received using POP in SeaMonkey 2.49.1: 4 from Andrei's 2018-01-26 20:46 +0300 TB 2 from Andrei's 21:31 +0300 TB 2 from Andrei's 23:00 +0300 TB 2 from Dave Plater's 2018-01-26 15:14 +0200 TB 4 from Dave Plater's 12:44 +0200 TB 3 from Dave Plater's 14:26 +0200 TB 2 from Dave Plater's 15:36 +0200 TB 2 from Dave Plater's 16:05 +0200 TB 2 from Dave Plater's 16:15 +0200 TB 4 from Dave Plater's 16:18 +0200 TB 3 from Dave Plater's 16:20 +0200 TB 2 from ellanios82's 22:55 +0200 TB 2 from Felix Miata's 10:59 -0500 SM 3 from Jeffrey Harris's 12:50 -0600 Evolution 2 from Larry Finger's 13:22 -0600 TB 3 from Neal Gompa's 13:58 -0500 (unknown) 42 copies of 16 messages Same duplications appear when I view messages in Earthlink's webmail. Total messages from opensuse lists so far today: 106 -- "Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Whatever else you get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, 2018-01-27 at 17:36 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:

Carlos E. R. composed on 2018-01-27 22:16 (UTC+0100):

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Dave Howorth wrote:

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FWIW, there's also a duplicate post by Felix Miata, Display artifacts in Leap 42.3 at 15:59 UTC and it doesn't seem that he's using google.

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You are right, I can confirm. It duplicates at entry to mx2.suse.de.

Since first of year, I get many opensuse list duplicates, and many warnings about bouncing, but only from opensuse lists.

http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Suse/emailbouncing20180125.jpg

Bounces are a different issue altogether, and are caused by your ISP. My private mails to you also get rejected (which would cause a bounce on a list server). <****@suddenlinkmail.com>: host mx.suddenlinkmail.com[208.180.40.132] said: 421 dalifep03.suddenlink.net connection refused from [86.109.101.151] (in reply to end of DATA command) In order to mail to you directly, I have to remember to use gmail instead of telefonica. I thought that it only happened with my email to you, but your photo proves that it is a too common thing for you to take drastic action. You really should get another mail provider. Detailed bounce info: Reporting-MTA: dns; relayout02-out.e.movistar.es X-Postfix-Queue-ID: 3zFcJS3qb5zhYQH X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; ****@telefonica.net Arrival-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 14:56:40 +0100 (CET) Final-Recipient: rfc822; ****@suddenlinkmail.com Original-Recipient: rfc822;****@suddenlinkmail.com Action: failed Status: 4.0.0 Remote-MTA: dns; mx.suddenlinkmail.com Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 421 dalifep03.suddenlink.net connection refused from [86.109.101.151] - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlptw4YACgkQtTMYHG2NR9U5mQCggwqgkkj0Bldhv4mxeHj+nHH+ Cx8An2jXs0zHhD8+1r3KVsX9HyzPdV5x =ISc8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2018-01-27 22:30, Dave Howorth wrote:

On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 19:09:27 +0000 Dave Howorth <> wrote:

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FWIW, there's also a duplicate post by Felix Miata, Display artifacts in Leap 42.3 at 15:59 UTC and it doesn't seem that he's using google.

And also FWIW, I don't see duplicate messages from Andrei Borzenkov, and he uses gmail. So it's not a simple case of gmail duplicating everything it sends to suse.

I don't think you will ever see any duplicate while using a gmail account, because they delete them. You only get the first copy. I have seen duplicates from Andrei B. IMHO, the issue is caused by mx2.suse.de -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Content-ID: On Saturday, 2018-01-27 at 23:38 -0000, Dave Howorth wrote:

On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 22:42:01 +0100 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:

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On 2018-01-27 22:30, Dave Howorth wrote:

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On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 19:09:27 +0000 Dave Howorth <> wrote:

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FWIW, there's also a duplicate post by Felix Miata, Display artifacts in Leap 42.3 at 15:59 UTC and it doesn't seem that he's using google.

And also FWIW, I don't see duplicate messages from Andrei Borzenkov, and he uses gmail. So it's not a simple case of gmail duplicating everything it sends to suse.

I don't think you will ever see any duplicate while using a gmail account, because they delete them. You only get the first copy.

I don't use gmail. I don't have any google account. (or facebook, twitter, linkedin etc etc :)

Andrei uses gmail as I said, and as does Dave P but not Felix.

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I have seen duplicates from Andrei B.

I haven't today, I don't think. If you can give me a date and time of an occurence, I can check.

Re: [opensuse] /sbin/purge-kernels fails on removing non-installed kernel since rpm -qa report is wrong Message-ID: <63b4b3fb-5c5f-abe9-3627-310244db69f0@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 21:31:09 +0300 1) Received: from mail-lf0-f43.google.com (mail-lf0-f43.google.com [209.85.215.43]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 12B5EAE87 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 20:17:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lf0-f43.google.com with SMTP id q17so4695956lfa.9 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 12:17:27 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x224QZAWhpWA0NaSU2ftNyvStC7u8+xLwWQQRF1Lfd0PbAqic7lLDpK7Wvki/AUKrrmqNyQrBgw== X-Received: by 10.25.28.82 with SMTP id c79mr9984563lfc.44.1517077870684; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 10:31:10 -0800 (PST) 2) Received: from mail-lf0-f45.google.com (mail-lf0-f45.google.com [209.85.215.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41085ACB2 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 22:16:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lf0-f45.google.com with SMTP id t139so4897565lff.0 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 14:16:07 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x224QZAWhpWA0NaSU2ftNyvStC7u8+xLwWQQRF1Lfd0PbAqic7lLDpK7Wvki/AUKrrmqNyQrBgw== X-Received: by 10.25.28.82 with SMTP id c79mr9984563lfc.44.1517077870684; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 10:31:10 -0800 (PST) 3) Received: from mail-lf0-f51.google.com (mail-lf0-f51.google.com [209.85.215.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F078AEF6 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2018 01:24:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lf0-f51.google.com with SMTP id 63so5133667lfv.4 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 17:24:06 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x224QZAWhpWA0NaSU2ftNyvStC7u8+xLwWQQRF1Lfd0PbAqic7lLDpK7Wvki/AUKrrmqNyQrBgw== X-Received: by 10.25.28.82 with SMTP id c79mr9984563lfc.44.1517077870684; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 10:31:10 -0800 (PST) 4) Received: from mail-lf0-f44.google.com (mail-lf0-f44.google.com [209.85.215.44]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5FB5AF86 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2018 07:35:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lf0-f44.google.com with SMTP id 63so5571694lfv.4 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 23:35:18 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x224QZAWhpWA0NaSU2ftNyvStC7u8+xLwWQQRF1Lfd0PbAqic7lLDpK7Wvki/AUKrrmqNyQrBgw== X-Received: by 10.25.28.82 with SMTP id c79mr9984563lfc.44.1517077870684; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 10:31:10 -0800 (PST) 3 and 4 have the ID 63so5571694lfv.4 at google, yet they get D5FB5AF86 and 9F078AEF6 at suse.de, and very different hours: 07:35:18, 01:24:06 case 1 and 2 have different IDs. However, all have the same ID c79mr9984563lfc.44.1517077870684 at 10.25.28.82. Felix Miata Message-ID: <05a87b20-3d79-358a-c31d-2f19ce0837e1@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 10:59:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [opensuse] Display artifacts in Leap 42.3, on oldish laptop with Intel Video 1) Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7374BAE0E for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 15:59:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [24.144.120.162] (helo=[192.168.0.11]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4) (envelope-from ) id 1efStV-0002Nw-6z for opensuse@opensuse.org; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 10:59:53 -0500 2) Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67C2BAF31 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 16:04:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [24.144.120.162] (helo=[192.168.0.11]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4) (envelope-from ) id 1efStV-0002Nw-6z for opensuse@opensuse.org; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 10:59:53 -0500 In Felix case, note the identical identifier "1efStV-0002Nw-6z" at earthlink.net, while there are two at suse.de: 67C2BAF31 and 7374BAE0E So, I don't think google is the culprit here, but suse.de server. Probably it is reporting to the preceding server that the receiving failed (or not reporting at all), while it did succeed. The preceeding server tries again, some times six hours later.

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IMHO, the issue is caused by mx2.suse.de

I haven't seen this problem on any other list, certainly. And it has got much, much worse here in the past few days. To the point it is an annoyance rather than an amusement now.

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, 2018-01-28 at 14:58 -0000, Dave Howorth wrote:

Yes, although google clearly plays some part. Your messages via telefonica are normally duplicate-free, but the one you sent using gmail is duplicated.

Yes, to both. Maybe Felix will get one, LOL ;-)

At this point, I suppose the suse logs are probably easier to check, or I wonder if it is possible to use telnet or suchlike to send mail to suse and see what happens?

Well, the first point is to look at that server logs, and perhaps increase verbosity. It is Sunday, but we should tell some suse admin - I forgot the procedure. At https://www.opensuse.org/ there is no "contact" link. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlpuGg0ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XNIwCdF/aKXIZk+NRVsJcHF1vUHyhp U8YAoI1ETsiQv65mUyh7+5Mo5LOQdG+V =59o9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 16:40:41 +0100 Per Jessen wrote:

Dave Howorth wrote:

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On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 22:42:01 +0100 "Carlos E. R." wrote:

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On 2018-01-27 22:30, Dave Howorth wrote:

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On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 19:09:27 +0000 Dave Howorth <> wrote:

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FWIW, there's also a duplicate post by Felix Miata, Display artifacts in Leap 42.3 at 15:59 UTC and it doesn't seem that he's using google.

And also FWIW, I don't see duplicate messages from Andrei Borzenkov, and he uses gmail. So it's not a simple case of gmail duplicating everything it sends to suse.

I don't think you will ever see any duplicate while using a gmail account, because they delete them. You only get the first copy.

I don't use gmail. I don't have any google account. (or facebook, twitter, linkedin etc etc :)

Andrei uses gmail as I said, and as does Dave P but not Felix.

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I have seen duplicates from Andrei B.

I haven't today, I don't think. If you can give me a date and time of an occurence, I can check.

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IMHO, the issue is caused by mx2.suse.de

I haven't seen this problem on any other list, certainly. And it has got much, much worse here in the past few days. To the point it is an annoyance rather than an amusement now.

I suggest you open a ticket - send an email to admin-at-opensuse.org.

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On 01/28/2018 04:49 PM, Dave Howorth wrote:

I sent this to the list an hour ago but it hasn't appeared in my inbox, for whatever reason. It is in the list archive online as are various other messages I also haven't received, so I suspect something more serious is now wrong.

On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 20:53:25 +0000 Dave Howorth wrote:

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On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 16:40:41 +0100 Per Jessen wrote:

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Dave Howorth wrote:

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On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 22:42:01 +0100 "Carlos E. R." wrote:

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On 2018-01-27 22:30, Dave Howorth wrote:

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On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 19:09:27 +0000 Dave Howorth <> wrote:

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> FWIW, there's also a duplicate post by Felix Miata, Display > artifacts in Leap 42.3 at 15:59 UTC and it doesn't seem that > he's using google.

And also FWIW, I don't see duplicate messages from Andrei Borzenkov, and he uses gmail. So it's not a simple case of gmail duplicating everything it sends to suse.

I don't think you will ever see any duplicate while using a gmail account, because they delete them. You only get the first copy.

I don't use gmail. I don't have any google account. (or facebook, twitter, linkedin etc etc :)

Andrei uses gmail as I said, and as does Dave P but not Felix.

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I have seen duplicates from Andrei B.

I haven't today, I don't think. If you can give me a date and time of an occurence, I can check.

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IMHO, the issue is caused by mx2.suse.de

I haven't seen this problem on any other list, certainly. And it has got much, much worse here in the past few days. To the point it is an annoyance rather than an amusement now.

I suggest you open a ticket - send an email to admin-at-opensuse.org.

done

Is it possible to get MX records to get smtp and imap? gmail just dont cut it. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Dave, et al -- ...and then Dave Howorth said... % % I sent this to the list an hour ago but it hasn't appeared in my inbox, % for whatever reason. It is in the list archive online as are various % other messages I also haven't received, so I suspect something more % serious is now wrong. I don't recall how long it's been, but I saw it go by ... maybe even a few times :-) HTH & HANN :-D -- David T-G See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/email/ See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/tofu.txt -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 27/01/2018 15:57, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2018-01-27 13:52, Dave Plater wrote:

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which seem to suggest that google sent two copies to suse.

Thanks for the clarification, obviously the archives and thunderbird hide duplicates. I'm going to blame Thunderbird, I've been using it for years but now it's getting jerky and hangs from time to time. Time to find another email gui.

The issue is affecting one person in the Spanish mail list, too. Gmail user.

No, Thunderbird does not hide duplicates: but Gmail inbox server does.

Maybe I should try pop instead of imap. Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2018-01-27 18:21, Per Jessen wrote:

Dave Plater wrote:

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On 27/01/2018 15:57, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2018-01-27 13:52, Dave Plater wrote:

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which seem to suggest that google sent two copies to suse.

Thanks for the clarification, obviously the archives and thunderbird hide duplicates. I'm going to blame Thunderbird, I've been using it for years but now it's getting jerky and hangs from time to time. Time to find another email gui.

The issue is affecting one person in the Spanish mail list, too. Gmail user.

No, Thunderbird does not hide duplicates: but Gmail inbox server does.

Maybe I should try pop instead of imap.

It won't matter, neither is realted to sending.

And neither with the gmail filtering of duplicates. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" (Minas Tirith))

On 27/01/2018 19:21, Per Jessen wrote:

Dave Plater wrote:

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On 27/01/2018 15:57, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2018-01-27 13:52, Dave Plater wrote:

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which seem to suggest that google sent two copies to suse.

Thanks for the clarification, obviously the archives and thunderbird hide duplicates. I'm going to blame Thunderbird, I've been using it for years but now it's getting jerky and hangs from time to time. Time to find another email gui.

The issue is affecting one person in the Spanish mail list, too. Gmail user.

No, Thunderbird does not hide duplicates: but Gmail inbox server does.

Maybe I should try pop instead of imap.

It won't matter, neither is realted to sending.

Maybe an automatic resend on timeout? Where to set the timeout is another mystery. Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Dave Plater wrote:

On 27/01/2018 10:11, Per Jessen wrote:

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This post has arrived at least three times on the list. Yep, it does look like it was sent a few times. Maybe Google screwed it up. The mailing list archives also show only one post

I also only got it once, but my reader excludes duplicate message-ids. I checked the mailing list server logs, and your message showed a number of times: 2018-01-26T13:23:11 2018-01-26T13:56:49 2018-01-26T15:25:04 2018-01-26T16:23:04 2018-01-26T22:04:38 Weird. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (7.2°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Dave Plater wrote:

On 27/01/2018 14:23, Per Jessen wrote:

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Dave Plater wrote:

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On 27/01/2018 10:11, Per Jessen wrote:

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This post has arrived at least three times on the list. Yep, it does look like it was sent a few times. Maybe Google screwed it up. The mailing list archives also show only one post

I also only got it once, but my reader excludes duplicate message-ids. I checked the mailing list server logs, and your message showed a number of times:

2018-01-26T13:23:11 2018-01-26T13:56:49 2018-01-26T15:25:04 2018-01-26T16:23:04 2018-01-26T22:04:38

Weird.

Although I only use imap on this address, I had pop enabled as well.

They're both for receiving, should have no effect.

Don't know if that caused it. I've seen this with other peoples messages on occasions. I'm looking at claws-mail, going to look at alpine as well have to set up filters again sigh.

FWIW, I'm using TB too (not here though), both an older and a newer, I have not seen either misbehave. A message being resent could also be a mailserver that does not receive proper confirmation of delivery and therefore has to retry it. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (7.0°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 15:36:23 +0200 Dave Plater wrote:

I'm looking at claws-mail,

Claws works well for me, and has a very responsive support network if somewhat idiosyncratic at times. Perhaps best to try it and see if you like it or at least can live with it. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 10:05:41 +0200 Dave Plater wrote:

what's baulking me is the thought of losing all my list mails also setting up the filters again

You can transfer old messages from TB to claws. That's what I did when I switched. I just redid the filters by hand over a few days - it wasn't too painful and gave me a chance to clear out a lot of rubbish. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/28/2018 07:10 AM, Dave Howorth wrote:

On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 10:05:41 +0200 Dave Plater wrote:

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what's baulking me is the thought of losing all my list mails also setting up the filters again

You can transfer old messages from TB to claws. That's what I did when I switched. I just redid the filters by hand over a few days - it wasn't too painful and gave me a chance to clear out a lot of rubbish.

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On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 08:47:26 -0500 james@linuxmajic.com wrote:

On 01/28/2018 07:10 AM, Dave Howorth wrote:

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On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 10:05:41 +0200 Dave Plater wrote:

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what's baulking me is the thought of losing all my list mails also setting up the filters again

You can transfer old messages from TB to claws. That's what I did when I switched. I just redid the filters by hand over a few days - it wasn't too painful and gave me a chance to clear out a lot of rubbish.

duplicate, sorry, anyway does claws read html messages like TB?

HTML email is an abomination in my view, so I don't know, sorry. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 11:02:54 +0200 Dave Plater wrote:

On 28/01/2018 14:10, Dave Howorth wrote:

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On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 10:05:41 +0200 Dave Plater wrote:

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what's baulking me is the thought of losing all my list mails also setting up the filters again You can transfer old messages from TB to claws.

How do you do that? I only see import in the TB tools menu. It would be good to have a backup email ui, kmail is too troublesome.

I don't remember exactly. I think you just ask claws to import the TB mail (file/import mbox?) and point it at the appropriate directory. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 29/01/2018 20:49, Carlos E. R. wrote:

Why migrate from one client to another?

IMO it is better to "migrate" to a local imap server, such as dovecot, and from then on you can use a dozen mail clients simultaneously, never having to migrate again.

- -- Cheers,        Carlos E. R.

I think this is definitely on my TODO list. I've nuked all akonadi services and I don't seem to get hangs in thunderbird any more so this isn't so important atm. Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 31/01/2018 12:15, Bob Williams wrote:

On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 10:05:41 +0200 Dave Plater wrote:

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On 27/01/2018 16:42, Dave Howorth wrote:

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On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 15:36:23 +0200 Dave Plater wrote:

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I'm looking at claws-mail,

Claws works well for me, and has a very responsive support network if somewhat idiosyncratic at times. Perhaps best to try it and see if you like it or at least can live with it.

I enabled it for my personal email and it seems ok but what's baulking me is the thought of losing all my list mails also setting up the filters again.

Check out the second from the bottom in this list...

http://www.claws-mail.org/tools.php?section=downloads

Bob

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Le 27/01/2018 à 11:44, Dave Plater a écrit :

On 27/01/2018 10:11, Per Jessen wrote:

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This post has arrived at least three times on the list. Yep, it does look like it was sent a few times.  Maybe Google screwed it up. The mailing list archives also show only one post

but I received this one mail three times :-( jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* Dave Plater [01-28-18 07:24]:

On 27/01/2018 10:11, Per Jessen wrote:

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This post has arrived at least three times on the list. Yep, it does look like it was sent a few times. Maybe Google screwed it up. The mailing list archives also show only one post

*somewhere* it was generated at least three times, maybe four. and I received each. didn't look at the headers, but will look now at my backupsL: I got three, all with same message id and origin date. appears suse.de sent it three times (guessing on my part): headers for the three copies are here: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/~paka/3times.txt -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 08:26:07 -0500 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Patrick Shanahan [01-28-18 07:56]:

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* Dave Plater [01-28-18 07:24]:

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On 27/01/2018 10:11, Per Jessen wrote:

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This post has arrived at least three times on the list. Yep, it does look like it was sent a few times. Maybe Google screwed it up. The mailing list archives also show only one post

*somewhere* it was generated at least three times, maybe four. and I received each. didn't look at the headers, but will look now at my backupsL:

I got three, all with same message id and origin date. appears suse.de sent it three times (guessing on my part):

headers for the three copies are here: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/~paka/3times.txt

fwiw: I have received four dup's of a post by "Billy Walsh", Re: [opensuse-offtopic] north korea

and we've got three copies of this mail of yours :) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 El 2018-01-27 a las 10:29 +0200, Dave Plater escribió:

On 27/01/2018 00:55, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On Friday, 2018-01-26 at 15:14 +0200, Dave Plater wrote:

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On 26/01/2018 01:20, SFseis . wrote:

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This post has arrived at least three times on the list.

You mean my one, I use Thunderbird with google imap on this account and it downloads the post, only got it once.

Google is known for removing extra copies, so you wouldn't see them. - -- Cheers Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iF4EAREIAAYFAlpseB0ACgkQja8UbcUWM1yy2QD/eAaRbBwyjVT6C0goHl3c0MG0 E1BHzKVlFzCmyA62gqwA+wcEGx/8gzI+dUgISYk7U4hu2lPyimPqlF4/cQD2KIaQ =Izgi -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 01:14:14PM +0000, Dave Plater wrote:

On 26/01/2018 01:20, SFseis . wrote:

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Hello,

my first question to the mailing list: I just installed Leap 42.3 and noticed that my Latex files won't compile anymore because of an outdated Circuitkz 0.6 (2016-6-6), current is 0.8.3 (2017-5-28) and I need at least 0.8.2 (2017-5-1).

What can I do? Can I just install Texlive from TW repository?

https://software.opensuse.org/find shows the 2016-6-6 from the devel project for 42.3 so I should imagine that you may have problems with the Tumbleweed version. Dave P

The major problem is biber from TeXLive 2017 as this requires at least perl 5.24.1. Werner -- "Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like having a peeing section in a swimming pool." -- Edward Burr