Jonathan Ervine wrote:
On Friday 25 January 2008 11:58:30 Billie Walsh wrote:
On 01/24/2008 Jonathan Ervine wrote:
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I never said these were "kernel developer" problems. Just that if the Linux Community wants Average Joe User to move over then these are problems that will have to be solved so they "just work".
Why is it the responsibility of the 'Linux community' to fix problems with hardware vendors not supplying the code to run their hardware or working with the Linux driver project? How is the 'Linux community' supposed to solve these problems? You're mailing to a Linux list, I think your list of complaints is better directed elsewhere. Your email was also a direct reply to one of the Linux kernel developers - hence why it seemed your complaints were directed there...
I didn't say the problems had to be resolved by the Linux Community as such. I was reading all the stuff that was being written that didn't address the original question so I popped in my $0.02 worth. The original question, in case you've forgotten, is why aren't more people using Linux. The question was asked on a Linux list. It wasn't asked on a vendor list. The fact that there was no quote in my original reply should have been a clue that I wasn't replying directly to any one persons message. Unlike some people I DO NOT keep every e-mail that comes through every list I'm on. I read and delete. If it's something that I feel is important I will save it to another folder. If it's REALLY important I will print it. "Threading" would do no good because there is nothing to "thread". Nothing in my "Trash" folder is over three days old. It automatically deletes anything over that. If I don't need it in three days I don't need it at all. I also don't read every header line for line. In fact all I see in the header field is Subject, From, Date, To. My preference.
Average Joe User doesn't want to jump through hoops to make it work. He just wants a computer that he can turn on and EVERYTHING works without hastles.
Then use the nv, radeon, Intel drivers for video and check the hardware before purchase? Even on Windows EVERYTHING doesn't work without hassles - you still have to install vendor supplied drivers or visit websites to install drivers. (Possibly, at a stretch, Macs provide the computing nirvana you're seeking)
Big hassle. Plop in the CD that comes with whatever, click a few check box's, and it works. Bigger hassle, go to the web site and download a file. Run the file. Click a few check box's. It works. OK, OK, OK! I know it's not a "LINUX" problem. HOWEVER, it is a problem FOR Linux. We do a little light tech support for a local ISP. I swear there are people out there that are just plain to stupid to even own a computer. About 90% are just barely able to turn one on and click the proper icon to start a program.
Me personally, I made a decision to move over and deal with things as they come up. I have gotten my TV cards [ supported ] to work, off and on. It's just way less hastle to turn on a TV than fart around in Yast to get it to work every little bit. The WiFi card is "supported" but about every third or fourth time I turn it on the damned thing won't connect. Then I have to fart around with the setup to get it working again. Most of the time if I'm in the computer room I just plug in the cable.
Complain to Atheros or whoever manufactures your wireless card. Ah yes, they won't listen to you, so it's easier to complain here. Fortunately, I've never had to use a madwifi card, although have had plenty of fun with Broadcom wireless and ndiswrapper and now, bcm43xx firmware ripping. I can only assume both these solutions are far superior to madwifi, as they don't refuse to connect on every 3-4 connection attempts.
Jon
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