On Sunday 13 May 2001 18:01, Steven Hatfield wrote: You may want to consider zope and its integration and use of python. It's now mature enough to allow for integration of Java, perl, php and allows for rendering through apache and its supported modules. In fairness however DTML (the logic process) is a bitch to learn for non programers as myself and when they speak of the zen of zope, well there is something too that. On the other hand for programmers is a challenging joy. Zope is marvelouse in seperating logic from presentation allowing for a completely distributed (but organized) web development process. DB integration is well support with both OS and commercial dbs being made accessible. see: http://www.zope.org/Products/external_access and following references.(at the bottom of the page) See http://www.zope.org for more info and in particular take a look at the zope book available on line if this interests you. http://www.zope.org/Members/michel/ZB/ -- Best Chris