I'm not sure where this belongs (project, factory?), but we've certainly deviated far enough from the original topic. Lars Müller wrote:
We're talking about two different things - you seem to be talking about changing the default, I'm _only_ proposing adding another installation flow.
"another" = additional? To make the matrix even more complex?
Unfortunately, yes. I am in favour of adding a simplified path, but only as an addition, not to replace anything and not as a default (yet).
I might not get your approach. But by adding yet another dialog and asking the user if it is a simplified guy and likes to run the the simplified installation workflow we even add one more question and also risk to annoy the advanced users too.
I agree, but if "we" want to cater to both kind of users, we have to have a switch somewhere.
I agree that changing the default is going to be an uphill struggle (I'll leave that to you) and not in line with our strategy, but offering a simplified installation path is perfectly possible.
Sorry, what is our strategy you have in mind?
http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Strategy "openSUSE does not: Oversimplify the system to the point where configuring it becomes harder. We prefer flexibility over an (extreme) focus on ease of use."
Why do you consider this an uphill struggle?
I think you said it yourself - changing the defaults is usually met with resistance from "the majority of the developers and advanced users". Trying to make the _default_ openSUSE installation more focused on the non-IT aware person and asking all the "experts" to press the "I'm an expert, leave me alone" button - that is an uphill struggle.
And why do you think you can leave that up to me?
It was mostly intended to be humourous, I guess the humour was lost in transmission. However, you proposed it, where as I think we can start with a compromise, a simplified path for those who want it.
A simplified install workflow isn't only possible. I consider it as within reach.
Definitely.
This is mainly a question of checking which dialogs are really needed. It's already possible to mostly only click the botton labled next without entering anything.
And a beginner doesn't care about KDE or Gnome. The network configuration is mostly driven by a DHCP server.
Absolutely right.
I moved the gathered input to https://features.opensuse.org/313062 There I've added even a reference to the beginning of this thread. Feel free to vote. I volunteer to help if someone of the community likes to work on this.
I've only just started gaining some experience with YCP and such, I have a few other things I want to fix first, but otherwise I'm also in. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (6.4°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org