Maybe on Kay Sievert, yes he is problematic (as personality in open source). systemd doesn't not do everything. Under the systemd umbrella are few additional daemons reimplenting a lot of services. If you build systemd with all configuration options enabled you will build 69 individual binaries. These binaries all serve different tasks, and are neatly separated for a number of reasons. At compile time you have a number of configure switches to select what you want to build, and what not. That developers code stuff that requires systemd is not systemd's fault. You don't like GNOME? Use something else. You have a problem with systemd as init or with some of all the services under systemd's umbrella (logind etc.)? You could develop alternatives for these. You don't want to? You want other people to develop for YOUR personal preferences? This ain't gonna happen. And as upstart is dead from now on and openrc doesn't do the job, let's embrace systemd with all of our heart. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org