On 21 September 2012 19:57, Jim Henderson <hendersj@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 10:42:04 +0200, Florian Leparoux wrote:

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In fact there is a thread in alionet.org, in the ML-FR, a discussion with opensuse moderator, #opensuse-fr and for finish in this ML

Just to clarify, what I meant was the moderators on the French forums on forums.opensuse.org - I don't know if there's overlap in our French forum staff and Alionet, but they should definitely all be included in the discussion if they're not already.

We discuss with the most people we can. I'm following 5 or 6 different thread in four different structures in order to be sure to read everything on this topic ^_^ Basically, I want this merge to happen, so I must be aware of all the opinions aroung the table.

I should also mention (for those who may not be aware), I'm one of the non-technical admins on the openSUSE forums (though I've been involved in a lot of the technical side of things as well and know the infrastructure involved).

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In my opinion, though, three things must not disappear. First, the CMS (for the news), then the blogs. There are not much that are written in french, and that's a good store front. People interested in openSUSE can have news about it in french. That may seem silly, but... well... french people are not always at their ease when it comes to speak english. So they can't stay tuned with the projects and actions made by openSUSE, or not in a single place.

CMS is a part of the current releases of vBulletin, so blogs and articles aren't an issue. Should the merge take place to forums.opensuse.org, that's something that's easily acommodated.

Nice to hear. Note that the fact that we both use vBulletin is a kind of chance : whatever the final decision, it should be technically feasible thanks to that.

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That said, it's time to speak about the forums. Alionet is way more used than the french forum in forums.opensuse.org. There are many more posts there... Of course, that does not do everything. That's just some "fact"... If we consider only people using forums (everybody does not particpate to a project the same way... some prefer MLs, other IRC, other forums, some use many of them...), it seems the Alionet community is wider. I may be wrong.

It may be a larger community - but I think the discussion shouldn't necessarily be about which is "larger", but what makes sense for the project. I think if the openSUSE Forums' French category were made "the place to go", we'd have more traffic there.

Yes, certainly. But on the short term, I'm not sure it would work. I'm not sure people in Alionet would vote to migrate in the openSUSE infrastructures. I fear that would just kill the current project, and I don't wish that.

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On the technical side, we're actively working to enable nntp. That's a problem because, for historical reasons[1], our DB uses an iso charset, while the vBulletin nntp plugin requires UTF8. The SSO part may be more difficult, however...

Actually, the NNTP gateway issue is more serious than just a character set. The NNTP gateway itself hasn't been maintained by the original creator (not that it ever was, it's not an 'official' plugin) since vBulletin 3. I currently maintain it for the forums hosted by Novell/ NetIQ/SUSE/openSUSE, mostly providing bug fixes and minor enhancements. Getting it to work with vBulletin 4 took some work, but it is working. We also migrated from ISO- charsets to UTF8 already (that was really needed on a forum with multiple languages - selecting ISO charsets caused issues if you switched, for example, from Chinese to French).

About nntp : waw, that seems to have been a hard work. Is it, by any chance, reusable ? About charset : That's interesting. Do you have any hints so that we can make it faster ? Have you written your procedure somewhere ?

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I hope this message helps the debate in some ways. I will follow this thread, of course... as I do most of the time on openSUSE MLs.

Thanks, that does help a lot - and in the end, whatever the project and community opt for, those of us on the forums will do what we can to support the decision made. :) Ultimately, it's about the community.

Thanks a lot for that. Your help is really appreciated. Best wishes, Alexis. -- OrbisGIS supporter. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-fr+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-fr+owner@opensuse.org