[opensuse-translation] SLE 12 and openSUSE Factory: snapper, zypp, and zypper
In https://svn.opensuse.org/svn/opensuse-i18n/branches/SLE12/lcn, SUSE/Novell updated snapper, zypp, and zypper translations for all SUSE Linux Enterprise 12 languages: ar cs de es fr hu it ja ko nl pl pt_BR ru sv zh_CN zh_TW These updates were based on previously existing community transaltions (Factory / 13.1). If you do not veto, I'd like to copy and merge the SLE 12 updates back to the trunk. If you veto, I'd like to ask you to do this merge yourself. -- Karl Eichwalder SUSE LINUX Products GmbH R&D / Documentation Maxfeldstraße 5 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-translation+owner@opensuse.org
Well, I'd like to veto this merge for ru. I was never happy with SLE translation quality for Russian, so I would better re-check and cherry-pick something manually. 2014-09-15 14:54 GMT+04:00 Karl Eichwalder <ke@suse.de>:
In https://svn.opensuse.org/svn/opensuse-i18n/branches/SLE12/lcn, SUSE/Novell updated snapper, zypp, and zypper translations for all SUSE Linux Enterprise 12 languages:
ar cs de es fr hu it ja ko nl pl pt_BR ru sv zh_CN zh_TW
These updates were based on previously existing community transaltions (Factory / 13.1). If you do not veto, I'd like to copy and merge the SLE 12 updates back to the trunk. If you veto, I'd like to ask you to do this merge yourself.
-- Karl Eichwalder SUSE LINUX Products GmbH R&D / Documentation Maxfeldstraße 5 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-translation+owner@opensuse.org
-- Regards, Minton. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-translation+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-09-15 12:59, Alexander Melentev wrote:
Well, I'd like to veto this merge for ru. I was never happy with SLE translation quality for Russian, so I would better re-check and cherry-pick something manually.
Same for 'es'. I'm not the Spanish coordinator, we officially do not have one although Gabriel usually fills that role. But as I believe I'm the oldest team member active, and till he speak or if he does, I'll speak for all (unless somebody else talks): I'm strongly against automatic full merge with SLE translations. This has been our posture on other occasions, too. The reason is not only quality, but that the translations are different, with choices against our (written) team policies. I would like, though, to have a tree somewhere where we could download them and, somehow, configure "localize" to load both and choose, or for individual translators to merge if they so decide for the files they are responsible for. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlQW5W8ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WS0wCgiLRxProuReY4QvW4HzWy6Bu4 rf8AnA8BsrJ/Ynpxx9QUbcZ8OfokMuAK =pz8d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-translation+owner@opensuse.org
"Carlos E. R." <carlos.e.r@opensuse.org> writes:
I would like, though, to have a tree somewhere where we could download them and, somehow, configure "localize" to load both and choose, or for individual translators to merge if they so decide for the files they are responsible for.
As I said, everything is publically available in the SLE12 branch: https://svn.opensuse.org/svn/opensuse-i18n/branches/SLE12/ You can download it from there and reuse it under the same license as YaST (that's GPL 2.0). -- Karl Eichwalder SUSE LINUX Products GmbH R&D / Documentation Maxfeldstraße 5 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-translation+owner@opensuse.org
On 2014-09-15 17:13, Karl Eichwalder wrote:
"Carlos E. R." <> writes:
I would like, though, to have a tree somewhere where we could download them and, somehow, configure "localize" to load both and choose, or for individual translators to merge if they so decide for the files they are responsible for.
As I said, everything is publically available in the SLE12 branch:
https://svn.opensuse.org/svn/opensuse-i18n/branches/SLE12/
You can download it from there and reuse it under the same license as YaST (that's GPL 2.0).
Ah, ok, I didn't know/remember that. Thanks. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
Alexander Melentev <minton@opensuse.org> writes:
Well, I'd like to veto this merge for ru. I was never happy with SLE translation quality for Russian, so I would better re-check and cherry-pick something manually.
Ok. These Russian files are probably not that affected, because they are completely translated in trunk :-) BTW, it is worth checking SLE translations from time to time again, because we (Novell) often base translation updates on community translations resp. take them as input. If it makes sense we change old SLE translations. "Carlos E. R." <carlos.e.r@opensuse.org> writes:
Same for 'es'. ... Ah, ok, I didn't know/remember that. Thanks.
Spanish isn't complete; thus I'd appreciate if you could work on it. Karl Eichwalder <ke@suse.de> writes:
Vojtěch Zeisek <vojtech.zeisek@opensuse.org> writes:
Do You want to do it now? Or when? I'd like to check the Czech version before the merge, but I don want to veto it. ;-)
The sooner the better. Probably end of this or early next week. Of course, if it does not match your expectation you could revert it.
Czech is not complete either; thus I'd appreciate, too, if you could work on it. For those who vetoed I'll just fill missing translations from the SLE12 branch. You can revert it later if it does not fit (in those cases it would be good if you would explain it to us). -- Karl Eichwalder SUSE LINUX Products GmbH R&D / Documentation Maxfeldstraße 5 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-translation+owner@opensuse.org
2014-09-17 9:40 GMT-03:00 Karl Eichwalder <ke@suse.de>:
Alexander Melentev <minton@opensuse.org> writes:
Well, I'd like to veto this merge for ru. I was never happy with SLE translation quality for Russian, so I would better re-check and cherry-pick something manually.
Ok. These Russian files are probably not that affected, because they are completely translated in trunk :-)
BTW, it is worth checking SLE translations from time to time again, because we (Novell) often base translation updates on community translations resp. take them as input. If it makes sense we change old SLE translations.
"Carlos E. R." <carlos.e.r@opensuse.org> writes:
Same for 'es'. ... Ah, ok, I didn't know/remember that. Thanks.
Spanish isn't complete; thus I'd appreciate if you could work on it.
Karl Eichwalder <ke@suse.de> writes:
Vojtěch Zeisek <vojtech.zeisek@opensuse.org> writes:
Do You want to do it now? Or when? I'd like to check the Czech version before the merge, but I don want to veto it. ;-)
The sooner the better. Probably end of this or early next week. Of course, if it does not match your expectation you could revert it.
Czech is not complete either; thus I'd appreciate, too, if you could work on it.
For those who vetoed I'll just fill missing translations from the SLE12 branch. You can revert it later if it does not fit (in those cases it would be good if you would explain it to us).
-- Karl Eichwalder SUSE LINUX Products GmbH R&D / Documentation Maxfeldstraße 5 90409 Nürnberg, Germany
Hi, Don't use the translations for pt_BR too. Why on Factory the translations used (at least for zypper) are the SLE12 ones instead of the ones in trunk? (bug 897176 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=897176) Regards, Luiz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-translation+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2014-09-17 at 14:40 +0200, Karl Eichwalder wrote:
Spanish isn't complete; thus I'd appreciate if you could work on it.
I'll post an email to the Spanish translation list.
For those who vetoed I'll just fill missing translations from the SLE12 branch. You can revert it later if it does not fit (in those cases it would be good if you would explain it to us).
If you do that, I will have to undo it on my files. Otherwise, I'd have to manually check every string to locate which are the strings imported from SLES. If you merge the strings as fuzzy, that's acceptable, though. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlQaKZQACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WB2ACdHiE+iH0ET4fB28SIeESQqjhA 15AAoIj86/29bx8EAjKfj9svCgD/szfw =llOF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-translation+owner@opensuse.org
"Carlos E. R." <carlos.e.r@opensuse.org> writes:
If you do that, I will have to undo it on my files. Otherwise, I'd have to manually check every string to locate which are the strings imported from SLES.
If you merge the strings as fuzzy, that's acceptable, though.
Setting them just to would not help that much for what we (SUSE) want to achieve. I now propose to do the following (for snapper, zypp, and zypper only): 1/ I'll not touch translated strings. 2/ I'll flag strings added from the SLE12 branch with a special comment: #. SLE12 This way it should be easy for you to locate the imports. I'll treat all languages the same. -- Karl Eichwalder SUSE LINUX Products GmbH R&D / Documentation Maxfeldstraße 5 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-translation+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-09-18 11:00, Karl Eichwalder wrote:
"Carlos E. R." <> writes:
If you do that, I will have to undo it on my files. Otherwise, I'd have to manually check every string to locate which are the strings imported from SLES.
If you merge the strings as fuzzy, that's acceptable, though.
Setting them just to would not help that much for what we (SUSE) want to achieve.
Why the hurry? According to the official timetable: +++····················· openSUSE 13.2 translation finish Milestone: Last fixes for localization found during testing incorporated. Milestone: Drop of Release Notes to Localization Thu, 30 Oct 2014 14:00:00 GMT ·····················++- So we have a month to fully translate the files. And those you are interested in (es): snapper one single string non translated zypp it is not in the yast directory, but it is 98% done. zypper 90% done. You could delay the merge from SLES till that date, and leave us time to work.
I now propose to do the following (for snapper, zypp, and zypper only):
1/ I'll not touch translated strings.
2/ I'll flag strings added from the SLE12 branch with a special comment:
#. SLE12
This way it should be easy for you to locate the imports.
I'll treat all languages the same.
You can do that 30 Oct 2014. If you do it now, the "go to next not ready string" in lokalize would not work, and you would also overwrite our previous fuzzy string if they existed. Forcing the SLES translations on us makes me feel my work is not wanted/appreciated. I may then simply take a backup from older translations and overwrite what you do... - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEUEARECAAYFAlQaznYACgkQtTMYHG2NR9Wm7wCeMx4VlSNm8QpDq/BMMufYllaH MVEAmLQHhS5iT63YZq5xVlMF/+3xsrY= =vd6O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-translation+owner@opensuse.org
"Carlos E. R." <carlos.e.r@opensuse.org> writes:
Why the hurry? According to the official timetable:
+++····················· openSUSE 13.2 translation finish
Yeah, but this time I'm concerned about SLE 12, and the "problem" is that we are packaging snapper/libstorage translations for SLE 12 from trunk (AKA from openSUSE:Factory). From one POV that's rather unfortunate, but that's the way it is. If you are insterested in the details, see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=877325 ;) And yes, after closer checking only libstorage (and snapper) seem to be affected. I'll not touch zypp and zypper.
You can do that 30 Oct 2014. If you do it now, the "go to next not ready string" in lokalize would not work, and you would also overwrite our previous fuzzy string if they existed.
It's easy to set these messages to fuzzy after we picked them up for SLE 12 and before you start working on them. For example, with (might look complicate, but is just a simple sed action): sed -i '/^# SLE12/a\ #, fuzzy ' libstorage.*.po I will happily do this for you. I'll better go for "# SLE12" as a marker than "#. SLE12". -- Karl Eichwalder SUSE LINUX Products GmbH R&D / Documentation Maxfeldstraße 5 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-translation+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-09-18 17:31, Karl Eichwalder wrote:
"Carlos E. R." <carlos.e.r@opensuse.org> writes:
Why the hurry? According to the official timetable:
+++····················· openSUSE 13.2 translation finish
Yeah, but this time I'm concerned about SLE 12, and the "problem" is that we are packaging snapper/libstorage translations for SLE 12 from trunk (AKA from openSUSE:Factory). From one POV that's rather unfortunate, but that's the way it is.
If you are insterested in the details, see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=877325 ;)
I have a headache. I've been to the dentist this afternoon, and the anaesthetic hasn't cleared yet fully. So I'm a bit foggy and can't understand this well. I will have a read at the bugzilla later - huh, no, I guess I will not, it is not public, I'm denied access. Sigh :-/ So you mean that if we change the translations to those files in the openSUSE trunk, then the SLES people will have to put up with them, and conversely, if they do change it, we have to put up with their version? This is terrible. If I change anything I'll have to be extra careful... ;-/
And yes, after closer checking only libstorage (and snapper) seem to be affected. I'll not touch zypp and zypper.
I'll have a look at them personally. The rest of the email I'll have to read later... (headache). - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlQbQF0ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XkPQCfWaWy+csmB/FyaVaBJ06RZW7v jjoAn00wNee8j/R8uIXB6GaLm2HMPIAR =jiCR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-translation+owner@opensuse.org
"Carlos E. R." <carlos.e.r@opensuse.org> writes:
I have a headache. I've been to the dentist this afternoon, and the anaesthetic hasn't cleared yet fully. So I'm a bit foggy and can't understand this well. I will have a read at the bugzilla later - huh, no, I guess I will not, it is not public, I'm denied access. Sigh :-/
;-(
So you mean that if we change the translations to those files in the openSUSE trunk, then the SLES people will have to put up with them, and conversely, if they do change it, we have to put up with their version?
No, it is a one-time-action. Then, if it help, I can easily add a fuzzy marker to the "# SLE12" marked messages. Or you can do it yourself before you actually start working on it.
This is terrible. If I change anything I'll have to be extra careful... ;-/
No, or yes, that's always recommended ;) -- Karl Eichwalder SUSE LINUX Products GmbH R&D / Documentation Maxfeldstraße 5 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-translation+owner@opensuse.org
2014-09-17 20:40 GMT+08:00 Karl Eichwalder <ke@suse.de>:
Ok. These Russian files are probably not that affected, because they are completely translated in trunk :-)
I would prefer to keep translations as they are in trunk, but this probably comes for free since also Italian files are completely translated. Best, Andrea -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-translation+owner@opensuse.org
Dne Po 15. září 2014 12:54:05, Karl Eichwalder napsal(a):
In https://svn.opensuse.org/svn/opensuse-i18n/branches/SLE12/lcn, SUSE/Novell updated snapper, zypp, and zypper translations for all SUSE Linux Enterprise 12 languages: cs These updates were based on previously existing community transaltions (Factory / 13.1). If you do not veto, I'd like to copy and merge the SLE 12 updates back to the trunk. If you veto, I'd like to ask you to do this merge yourself.
Do You want to do it now? Or when? I'd like to check the Czech version before the merge, but I don want to veto it. ;-) Sincerely, Vojtěch -- Vojtěch Zeisek Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux http://www.opensuse.org/ http://trapa.cz/
Vojtěch Zeisek <vojtech.zeisek@opensuse.org> writes:
Do You want to do it now? Or when? I'd like to check the Czech version before the merge, but I don want to veto it. ;-)
The sooner the better. Probably end of this or early next week. Of course, if it does not match your expectation you could revert it. -- Karl Eichwalder SUSE LINUX Products GmbH R&D / Documentation Maxfeldstraße 5 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-translation+owner@opensuse.org
Karl Eichwalder <ke@suse.de> writes:
In https://svn.opensuse.org/svn/opensuse-i18n/branches/SLE12/lcn, SUSE/Novell updated snapper, zypp, and zypper translations for all SUSE Linux Enterprise 12 languages:
ar cs de es fr hu it ja ko nl pl pt_BR ru sv zh_CN zh_TW
These updates were based on previously existing community transaltions (Factory / 13.1). If you do not veto, I'd like to copy and merge the SLE 12 updates back to the trunk. If you veto, I'd like to ask you to do this merge yourself.
Done, for libstorage and snapper only. I did not touch existing translations and all new message strings taken from the SLE12 branch are tagged with "# SLE12". If wanted, I can add a "#, fuzzy" marker later. -- Karl Eichwalder SUSE LINUX Products GmbH R&D / Documentation Maxfeldstraße 5 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-translation+owner@opensuse.org
2014-09-22 10:02 GMT-03:00 Karl Eichwalder <ke@suse.de>:
Karl Eichwalder <ke@suse.de> writes:
In https://svn.opensuse.org/svn/opensuse-i18n/branches/SLE12/lcn, SUSE/Novell updated snapper, zypp, and zypper translations for all SUSE Linux Enterprise 12 languages:
ar cs de es fr hu it ja ko nl pl pt_BR ru sv zh_CN zh_TW
These updates were based on previously existing community transaltions (Factory / 13.1). If you do not veto, I'd like to copy and merge the SLE 12 updates back to the trunk. If you veto, I'd like to ask you to do this merge yourself.
Done, for libstorage and snapper only. I did not touch existing translations and all new message strings taken from the SLE12 branch are tagged with "# SLE12". If wanted, I can add a "#, fuzzy" marker later.
--
Hi, Please do so (the fuzzy mark later) Regards, Luiz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-translation+owner@opensuse.org
Hi, Can you say some words about SUSE 12 localization to officially unsupported languages, like Lithuanian? A few time (maybe 2 years) ago I installed SUSE for evaluation and found, that it provided localizations for officially unsupported languages. But it seemed, that e.g. in YaST Lithuanian translation was very outdated. -- Mindaugas
In https://svn.opensuse.org/svn/opensuse-i18n/branches/SLE12/lcn, SUSE/Novell updated snapper, zypp, and zypper translations for all SUSE Linux Enterprise 12 languages:
ar cs de es fr hu it ja ko nl pl pt_BR ru sv zh_CN zh_TW
These updates were based on previously existing community transaltions (Factory / 13.1). If you do not veto, I'd like to copy and merge the SLE 12 updates back to the trunk. If you veto, I'd like to ask you to do this merge yourself.
-- Karl Eichwalder SUSE LINUX Products GmbH R&D / Documentation Maxfeldstraße 5 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-translation+owner@opensuse.org
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embar@super.lt writes:
Can you say some words about SUSE 12 localization to officially unsupported languages, like Lithuanian? A few time (maybe 2 years) ago I installed SUSE for evaluation and found, that it provided localizations for officially unsupported languages. But it seemed, that e.g. in YaST Lithuanian translation was very outdated.
That's a good hint. For SLE 12 (SP1) I'll try to remember to update the unsupported languages (yast) with the 13.x community translations. The unsupported languages (yast) are currently on the 13.1 level. Gnome and other desktop translations are probably more recent. -- Karl Eichwalder SUSE LINUX Products GmbH R&D / Documentation Maxfeldstraße 5 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-translation+owner@opensuse.org
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