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Sasi Olin

4 Apr 2021 4 Apr '21

08:31

this is just a test, ignore it :P

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Sasi Olin

4 Apr 4 Apr

08:32

A reply test, also ignore it

Neal Gompa

12:58

On Sun, Apr 4, 2021 at 4:32 AM Sasi Olin wrote:

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A reply test, also ignore it

No. 😈 -- Neal Gompa (ID: Pharaoh_Atem)

Carlos E. R.

17:48

On 04/04/2021 14.58, Neal Gompa wrote:

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On Sun, Apr 4, 2021 at 4:32 AM Sasi Olin wrote:

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A reply test, also ignore it

No. 😈

For some unknown reason, I'm getting these emails twice on one account (and once on another account). My suspicion is one is for the o.o alias (double subscription to the test list), but the alias is not mentioned anywhere in the post; thus I'm not sure. One goes through hydra.opensuse.org, the other through mx1.opensuse.org, to my ISP. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Per Jessen

5 Apr 5 Apr

08:02

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 04/04/2021 14.58, Neal Gompa wrote:

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On Sun, Apr 4, 2021 at 4:32 AM Sasi Olin wrote:

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A reply test, also ignore it

No. 😈

For some unknown reason, I'm getting these emails twice on one account (and once on another account).

My suspicion is one is for the o.o alias (double subscription to the test list), but the alias is not mentioned anywhere in the post; thus I'm not sure.

One goes through hydra.opensuse.org, the other through mx1.opensuse.org, to my ISP.

You are subscribed with three addresses - opensuse.org, gmx.es and telefonica. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (10.2°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland.

Carlos E. R.

10:53

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, 2021-04-05 at 10:02 +0200, Per Jessen wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 04/04/2021 14.58, Neal Gompa wrote:

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On Sun, Apr 4, 2021 at 4:32 AM Sasi Olin wrote:

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A reply test, also ignore it

No. 😈

For some unknown reason, I'm getting these emails twice on one account (and once on another account).

My suspicion is one is for the o.o alias (double subscription to the test list), but the alias is not mentioned anywhere in the post; thus I'm not sure.

One goes through hydra.opensuse.org, the other through mx1.opensuse.org, to my ISP.

You are subscribed with three addresses - opensuse.org, gmx.es and telefonica.

Yes, that's what Sasi said. robin.listas@telefonica.net is my ISP, and carlos.e.r@opensuse.org redirects to my ISP. That would be the duplicates, yes. But I do not see any references to "carlos.e.r@opensuse.org" or the redirection, I have no way to know which is which. That's the problem. Looking at my procmail recipe, the difference was: * ^Original-Recipient: rfc822;(carlos.e.r@opensuse.org|groupwise-carlos.e.r@opensuse.org) but now there is none. Different path, but no reference to the alias. I had not noticed this issue, but it has been there for some time. Both mails contain: Delivered-To: robin.listas@telefonica.net There are some differences: cer@Telcontar:~> diff -W 200 --side-by-side --left-column --suppress-common-lines p1 p2 Return-Path: | Return-Path: Received: from dovector02.e.movistar.es ([217.116.1.118]) | Received: from dovector01.e.movistar.es ([217.116.1.118]) by lda04.e.movistar.es (Dovecot) with LMTP id 05bNBzG4aWAzNQAAEdfVVg | by lda04.e.movistar.es (Dovecot) with LMTP id 2ZbNBzG4aWAzNQAAEdfVVg Received: from asavin05.e.movistar.es ([217.116.1.118]) | Received: from asavin01.e.movistar.es ([217.116.1.118]) by dovector02.e.movistar.es (Dovecot) with LMTP id 4SqnBzG4aWBccwAAGjyguQ | by dovector01.e.movistar.es (Dovecot) with LMTP id HYP4BzG4aWAlfQAAMW5kXg Received: from relayin04.e.movistar.es (217-116-1-118.redes.acens.net [217.116.1.118]) | Received: from relayin03.e.movistar.es (217-116-1-118.redes.acens.net [217.116.1.118]) by asavin05.e.movistar.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FCv4w5vgjzWh2B | by asavin01.e.movistar.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FCv4x0SfhzwQDL for ; Sun, 4 Apr 2021 14:59:28 +0200 (CEST) | for ; Sun, 4 Apr 2021 14:59:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hydra.opensuse.org (proxy-nue1.opensuse.org [195.135.221.145]) | Received: from mx1.opensuse.org (mx1.opensuse.org [195.135.221.175]) by relayin04.e.movistar.es (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FCv4w5CxLzXf2m | by relayin03.e.movistar.es (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FCv4w6t9Kz15Jc5 by hydra.opensuse.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BA3C20045; | by mx1.opensuse.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B5A887; X-TnetIn-SenderInfo: IP: 195.135.221.145 | Country: DE | SPF: pass | X-TnetIn-SenderInfo: IP: 195.135.221.175 | Country: DE | SPF: pass X-VADETIN-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduledrudejtddgheekucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucf | X-VADETIN-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduledrudejtddgheekucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucf X-TnetIn-Information: AntiSPAM and AntiVIRUS on asavin05 | X-TnetIn-Information: AntiSPAM and AntiVIRUS on asavin01 X-TnetIn-MsgID: 4FCv4w5vgjzWh2B.A869B | X-TnetIn-MsgID: 4FCv4x0SfhzwQDL.A9337 X-TnetIn-From: test-bounces@opensuse.org | X-TnetIn-From: srs0=igas=jb=lists.opensuse.org=test-bounces@opensuse.org cer@Telcontar:~> - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHoEARECADoWIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCYGrsQhwccm9iaW4ubGlz dGFzQHRlbGVmb25pY2EubmV0AAoJELUzGBxtjUfVzV0AnREMlFXtQ6xagkBOPZPl MdmSeAQpAKCStARp28YC7oy7O3J2bK4dckZk+Q== =u75i -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Per Jessen

11:35

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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You are subscribed with three addresses - opensuse.org, gmx.es and telefonica.

Yes, that's what Sasi said.

Oh, I must have missed his reply.

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robin.listas@telefonica.net is my ISP, and carlos.e.r@opensuse.org redirects to my ISP. That would be the duplicates, yes.

But I do not see any references to "carlos.e.r@opensuse.org" or the redirection, I have no way to know which is which. That's the problem.

Your opensuse.org address is mapped to your telefonica address. The map just says "deliver carlos@opensuse to carlos@telefonica". That mapping is not logged or recorded anywhere.

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Looking at my procmail recipe, the difference was:

* ^Original-Recipient: rfc822;(carlos.e.r@opensuse.org|groupwise-carlos.e.r@opensuse.org)

Based on the groupwise reference, I guess this stems back to when SUSE was owned by Novell?

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but now there is none. Different path, but no reference to the alias. I had not noticed this issue, but it has been there for some time.

Probably since August 2020 when we switched over to our own mailservers. I also have a few aliases delivered to my account "per@jessen.ch". To distinguish them, to direct them into separate local accounts, I use an extension - per@address1 -> per+address1@jessen.ch per@address2 -> per+address2@jessen.ch per@address3 -> per+address3@jessen.ch etc -- Per Jessen, Zürich (13.9°C)

Carlos E. R.

11:48

On 05/04/2021 13.35, Per Jessen wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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You are subscribed with three addresses - opensuse.org, gmx.es and telefonica.

Yes, that's what Sasi said.

Oh, I must have missed his reply.

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robin.listas@telefonica.net is my ISP, and carlos.e.r@opensuse.org redirects to my ISP. That would be the duplicates, yes.

But I do not see any references to "carlos.e.r@opensuse.org" or the redirection, I have no way to know which is which. That's the problem.

Your opensuse.org address is mapped to your telefonica address. The map just says "deliver carlos@opensuse to carlos@telefonica". That mapping is not logged or recorded anywhere.

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Looking at my procmail recipe, the difference was:

* ^Original-Recipient: rfc822;(carlos.e.r@opensuse.org|groupwise-carlos.e.r@opensuse.org)

Based on the groupwise reference, I guess this stems back to when SUSE was owned by Novell?

Maybe. At some time it came one way, then the other. Thus I keep both recipes.

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but now there is none. Different path, but no reference to the alias. I had not noticed this issue, but it has been there for some time.

Probably since August 2020 when we switched over to our own mailservers.

Can't someline be added like before? An "Original-Recipient" header?

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I also have a few aliases delivered to my account "per@jessen.ch". To distinguish them, to direct them into separate local accounts, I use an extension -

per@address1 -> per+address1@jessen.ch per@address2 -> per+address2@jessen.ch per@address3 -> per+address3@jessen.ch etc

But you use your own server. I don't know if that would work with Telefonica. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Per Jessen

12:18

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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but now there is none. Different path, but no reference to the alias. I had not noticed this issue, but it has been there for some time.

Probably since August 2020 when we switched over to our own mailservers.

Can't someline be added like before? An "Original-Recipient" header?

I have just checked some of my old mails and it goes way further back. I only see that 'Original-Recipient' header in delivery reports, never in normal mails. Also, they never say 'per@opensuse', also something else.

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I also have a few aliases delivered to my account "per@jessen.ch". To distinguish them, to direct them into separate local accounts, I use an extension -

per@address1 -> per+address1@jessen.ch per@address2 -> per+address2@jessen.ch per@address3 -> per+address3@jessen.ch etc

But you use your own server. I don't know if that would work with Telefonica.

The address extension is a standard feature, but you're right, it doesn't work with Telefonica, I've just tried it. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.2°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland.

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