Re: [opensuse-support] Alternative DE's
On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 08:33:25 -0700 Tomas Kuchta <tomas.kuchta.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 08:22 <ksusup@trixtar.org> wrote:
What are listed as Gnome(s) on the Leap/Tumbleweed login-page, are those versions of Gnome-3?
What Gnome did you install? Login manager is sddm. See /etc/sddm.conf
i tried to send this reply to the list but my mailer sylpheed sends it only to the OP regardless of what I select short of manual intervention (maybe the word list in that email address is confusing it) the file is empty, I'm only wondering because there ARE 2 gnomes, 2 and 3 and derivatives of gnome 2 (mate) and 3 (Cinamon?) just like threre is still KDE4 as well Yast isn't all that forthcoming either but 'gnome-version' the package says v-3 (for the benefit of anyone else googling for this info) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org
On 14/10/2020 18.35, ksusup@trixtar.org wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 08:33:25 -0700 Tomas Kuchta <tomas.kuchta.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 08:22 <ksusup@trixtar.org> wrote:
What are listed as Gnome(s) on the Leap/Tumbleweed login-page, are those versions of Gnome-3?
What Gnome did you install? Login manager is sddm. See /etc/sddm.conf
i tried to send this reply to the list but my mailer sylpheed sends it only to the OP regardless of what I select short of manual intervention (maybe the word list in that email address is confusing it)
That's because he did not reply to the list ;-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 18:50:56 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 14/10/2020 18.35, ksusup@trixtar.org wrote:
i tried to send this reply to the list but my mailer sylpheed sends it only to the OP regardless of what I select short of manual intervention (maybe the word list in that email address is confusing it)
That's because he did not reply to the list ;-)
I rather reply to the list as that is what comes up in google, plus showing originator email addresses facilitates a level of identity theft. Lists should require a handle but never show email addresses by default, don't know if this can be set in preferences. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org
On 14/10/2020 19.06, ksusup@trixtar.org wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 18:50:56 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <...> wrote:
On 14/10/2020 18.35, ksusup@... wrote:
i tried to send this reply to the list but my mailer sylpheed sends it only to the OP regardless of what I select short of manual intervention (maybe the word list in that email address is confusing it)
That's because he did not reply to the list ;-)
I rather reply to the list as that is what comes up in google,
Of course, but it is easy to make mistakes. Not every mail program offers a button to "reply to list". The alternative is "reply to all", then remove the direct address, leaving only the mail list address. But the intuitive method is to click "reply" which goes direct to the sender.
plus showing originator email addresses facilitates a level of identity theft.
Which is why I remove the address from the salutation line (on {date} {somebody} wrote:) when I remember ;-)
Lists should require a handle but never show email addresses by default, don't know if this can be set in preferences.
Nope. Which is why I use a dedicated address for use on mail lists. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 19:28:09 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 14/10/2020 19.06, ksusup@trixtar.org wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 18:50:56 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <...> wrote:
On 14/10/2020 18.35, ksusup@... wrote:
i tried to send this reply to the list but my mailer sylpheed sends it only to the OP regardless of what I select short of manual intervention (maybe the word list in that email address is confusing it)
That's because he did not reply to the list ;-)
I rather reply to the list as that is what comes up in google,
Of course, but it is easy to make mistakes. Not every mail program offers a button to "reply to list". The alternative is "reply to all", then remove the direct address, leaving only the mail list address. But the intuitive method is to click "reply" which goes direct to the sender.
plus showing originator email addresses facilitates a level of identity theft.
Which is why I remove the address from the salutation line (on {date} {somebody} wrote:) when I remember ;-)
Lists should require a handle but never show email addresses by default, don't know if this can be set in preferences.
Nope.
Which is why I use a dedicated address for use on mail lists.
unless the USER wants it that way the list should not even show the originator's domain my 2 cents the list (supposedly) is there to serve the users and not the cart before the horses :) but how about the original question, which DE's make it easy to duplicate the cited panel setup? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org
On 14/10/2020 19.47, ksusup@trixtar.org wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 19:28:09 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
Notice that to avoid your mail address showing on that line above, you only have to add a name to your from address, and then that line will only show your name, not your address. At least with most responders. Notice that these emails are archived in a web archive, where any one can see your address in the body of the email (they are removed from the headers). But you would have to configure your own mail software so that it doesn't show my address (which I edited out).
plus showing originator email addresses facilitates a level of identity theft.
Which is why I remove the address from the salutation line (on {date} {somebody} wrote:) when I remember ;-)
Lists should require a handle but never show email addresses by default, don't know if this can be set in preferences.
Nope.
Which is why I use a dedicated address for use on mail lists.
unless the USER wants it that way the list should not even show the originator's domain
Can't be done, sorry. But the mail list software is going to be replaced, the migration is in process, and the new software has different options. Still the basic holds: the recipients get the address of the mail list to respond to, and also the address of the sender of each email so that they can reply off-list if they so wish. This I know is intentional since the mail list was created long ago.
my 2 cents
the list (supposedly) is there to serve the users and not the cart before the horses :)
but how about the original question, which DE's make it easy to duplicate the cited panel setup?
I'm sorry, I do not know. I used Gnome till version 3 came out, then I flew in disgust at the changes and landed on XFCE. So currently I know little about gnome (or plasma) configuration, although XFCE is based on gnome libraries and some services. I typically answer to the bits in the mails that I know about and ignore the rest of the email ;-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
I apologize for responding privately - my gmail email client eats the list - depending on how the previous posters respond to the list formatting their Cc: list. Most of the time it works just fine - I aware of people Cc: themselves or the list - screwing up the mail client automatic behavior. It is a mistake - I will be more careful - no need to hijack a thread over that. -------------------------------------------------------------- Back to SDDM login manager: * You are correct about the original state of /etc/sddm* being empty - mine is not - which is different story. * By default - only one Gnome DE is installed. In my opinion - it would make sense that user configures the login manager as needed/wished after installing additional DE versions, rather than expecting a magic, no? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 13:56:10 -0700 tomas.kuchta.lists@gmail.com wrote:
I apologize for responding privately - my gmail email client eats the list - depending on how the previous posters respond to the list formatting their Cc: list.
Most of the time it works just fine - I aware of people Cc: themselves or the list - screwing up the mail client automatic behavior.
It is a mistake - I will be more careful - no need to hijack a thread over that.
My own impression of what a mailing list is may just as well be mistaken. I'm re-evaluating my membership on about half a dozen lists because of this and will likely leave all of them including this one. Twice in my life I got within a hair of being ripped off to the tune of eight thousand dollars each time and I was once the victim of wholesale level identity theft. As a result I get infuriated by the brain-stem level lack of protection afforded by some major portals in this respect.
-------------------------------------------------------------- Back to SDDM login manager:
* You are correct about the original state of /etc/sddm* being empty - mine is not - which is different story.
* By default - only one Gnome DE is installed. In my opinion - it would make sense that user configures the login manager as needed/wished after installing additional DE versions, rather than expecting a magic, no?
You misundertood my post friend, or I mis expressed my need, or both. All I wanted to know was if Gnome offered by Suse nowadays is G2 or G3 (have since determined that it's G3). I would particularly have been interested in finding out if G3 would let me duplicate the linked layout without which I have less than no use for G3 unless a fork cleans it up (a wet dream based on the very little that Cinnemon seems to have been able to pull off). Cheers
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On Wed, 2020-10-14 at 17:43 -0400, ksusup@trixtar.org wrote: Back to SDDM login manager: * You are correct about the original state of /etc/sddm* being empty - mine is not - which is different story. * By default - only one Gnome DE is installed. In my opinion - it would make sense that user configures the login manager as needed/wished after installing additional DE versions, rather than expecting a magic, no?
You misundertood my post friend, or I mis expressed my need, or both. All I wanted to know was if Gnome offered by Suse nowadays is G2 or G3 (have since determined that it's G3). I would particularly have been interested in finding out if G3 would let me duplicate the linked layout without which I have less than no use for G3 unless a fork cleans it up (a wet dream based on the very little that Cinnemon seems to have been able to pull off).
True - I understood that you did not like Gnome3 - default for a long time - you installed Gnome2/4/... whatever the other Gnome(s) are - and - that you are looking for convenient way of switching between them at the login screen. Good luck with joining GNOME user group and trying to influence their design decision. I am no help in customizing DEs as I spent most of my life in xterm/terminal/console/web-browser/email .... so DEs are not my parte ... and I use KDE because it is practically configurable - power management, window focus behavior, scaling - and the most importantly - it remembers the terminal windows I had open between sessions. Tomas
On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 15:02:55 -0700 tomas.kuchta.lists@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 2020-10-14 at 17:43 -0400, ksusup@trixtar.org wrote: Back to SDDM login manager:
* You are correct about the original state of /etc/sddm* being empty - mine is not - which is different story.
* By default - only one Gnome DE is installed. In my opinion - it would make sense that user configures the login manager as needed/wished after installing additional DE versions, rather than expecting a magic, no?
You misundertood my post friend, or I mis expressed my need, or both. All I wanted to know was if Gnome offered by Suse nowadays is G2 or G3 (have since determined that it's G3). I would particularly have been interested in finding out if G3 would let me duplicate the linked layout without which I have less than no use for G3 unless a fork cleans it up (a wet dream based on the very little that Cinnemon seems to have been able to pull off).
True - I understood that you did not like Gnome3 - default for a long time - you installed Gnome2/4/... whatever the other Gnome(s) are - and - that you are looking for convenient way of switching between them at the login screen.
Good luck with joining GNOME user group and trying to influence their design decision.
I am no help in customizing DEs as I spent most of my life in xterm/terminal/console/web-browser/email .... so DEs are not my parte ... and I use KDE because it is practically configurable - power management, window focus behavior, scaling - and the most importantly - it remembers the terminal windows I had open between sessions.
i've been using KDE since v-4.a or 3.y and would continue using it for as long again but will likely not live that long i also want to see no monopoly which is why i use several distros AND de's at once to the extent that they facilitate 'my' way of doing things THAT, essentially, is what my OP was about don't read more into text than there is in it -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org
ksusup -- ...and then ksusup@trixtar.org said... % % My own impression of what a mailing list is may just as well be ... % Twice in my life I got within a hair of being ripped off to the tune of % eight thousand dollars each time and I was once the victim of wholesale % level identity theft. As a result I get infuriated by the brain-stem [snip] Your *email* address can somehow cost you thousands of dollars and your identity? Dude, you place WAY too much trust in your email :-) :-D -- David T-G See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/email/ See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/tofu.txt -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2020-10-14 at 18:34 -0400, David T-G wrote:
...and then ksusup@trixtar.org said... % % My own impression of what a mailing list is may just as well be ... % Twice in my life I got within a hair of being ripped off to the tune of % eight thousand dollars each time and I was once the victim of wholesale % level identity theft. As a result I get infuriated by the brain-stem [snip]
Your *email* address can somehow cost you thousands of dollars and your identity? Dude, you place WAY too much trust in your email :-)
:-D
Some sort of identity theft is the reason I PGP-sign my emails. Somebody in the mail list started sending insulting emails to other people on the lists purporting to be me, or other people. And of course, I use a different email address for personal contacts, business, or mail lists. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHoEARECADoWIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCX4eQ7Bwccm9iaW4ubGlz dGFzQHRlbGVmb25pY2EubmV0AAoJELUzGBxtjUfV9sEAn2SnMEXzb/91yoFX1N12 j3iWNKx9AJ48U31lS5+XkbqEaEaARqshjExFYA== =2euR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 18:34:52 -0400 David T-G <davidtg-robot@justpickone.org> wrote:
ksusup --
...and then ksusup@trixtar.org said... % % My own impression of what a mailing list is may just as well be ... % Twice in my life I got within a hair of being ripped off to the tune of % eight thousand dollars each time and I was once the victim of wholesale % level identity theft. As a result I get infuriated by the brain-stem [snip]
Your *email* address can somehow cost you thousands of dollars and your identity?
It most certainly can BTW in matters of security we talk about compoudable events and never about trust -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 20:26:48 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 14/10/2020 19.47, ksusup@trixtar.org wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 19:28:09 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
Notice that to avoid your mail address showing on that line above, you only have to add a name to your from address, and then that line will only show your name, not your address. At least with most responders.
Notice that these emails are archived in a web archive, where any one can see your address in the body of the email (they are removed from the headers).
As far as the net goes I begin my security approach with data-denial and improve it to misleading-data when possible. It's not negotiable. I have done few lists over the years and so forgot how they work (or never really grasped it). Here I misinterpreted things and have taken up the issue where it should be taken up but I don't expect any miracles. For my money lists and web forums should show real user data only when the user specifically wants it that way.
Lists should require a handle but never show email addresses by default, don't know if this can be set in preferences.
Nope.
I meant the list preferences, not my mailer's but there aren't any to speak of like on web hosted forums -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org
On 15/10/2020 04.24, ksusup@trixtar.org wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 20:26:48 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote: .................****************************
Then why do you do keep doing this to me?
On 14/10/2020 19.47, ksusup@trixtar.org wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 19:28:09 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
Notice that to avoid your mail address showing on that line above, you only have to add a name to your from address, and then that line will only show your name, not your address. At least with most responders.
Notice that these emails are archived in a web archive, where any one can see your address in the body of the email (they are removed from the headers).
As far as the net goes I begin my security approach with data-denial and improve it to misleading-data when possible. It's not negotiable.
I have done few lists over the years and so forgot how they work (or never really grasped it). Here I misinterpreted things and have taken up the issue where it should be taken up but I don't expect any miracles.
For my money lists and web forums should show real user data only when the user specifically wants it that way.
I'm afraid you don't understand how mail lists work. webforums can and do show a handle instead.
Lists should require a handle but never show email addresses by default, don't know if this can be set in preferences.
Nope.
I meant the list preferences, not my mailer's but there aren't any to speak of like on web hosted forums
-- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:13:30 +0200 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 15/10/2020 04.24, ksusup@trixtar.org wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 20:26:48 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote: .................****************************
Then why do you do keep doing this to me?
Claws-Mail, a fork of Sylpheed, can strip out the email address. I'd suggest ksupsup@t.o upgrades if Sylpheed hasn't got that feature. Bob -- Bob Williams System: Linux 5.3.18-lp152.44-default Desktop: KDE Frameworks: 5.71.0, Qt: 5.12.7 and Plasma: 5.18.5 https://useplaintext.email/
* Bob Williams <usenet@karmasailing.uk> [10-17-20 14:55]:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:13:30 +0200 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 15/10/2020 04.24, ksusup@trixtar.org wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 20:26:48 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote: .................****************************
Then why do you do keep doing this to me?
Claws-Mail, a fork of Sylpheed, can strip out the email address. I'd suggest ksupsup@t.o upgrades if Sylpheed hasn't got that feature.
wasted effort, email addresses are too easy to scrape from *any* email. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-support+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-support+owner@opensuse.org
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