Right, let's draw a line under this thread now. This is a support channel, it is useful to have short focused back-and-forths answering specific support questions. This thread has more than run its course by now. Doug, if you have any other specific issues please feel free to raise each as a single message. General discussion about oS and TW vs Leap goes in the general opensuse list (not here). Dennis, if I offended you with my previous message, apologies. TW vs Leap is a discussion I am happy to have with anyone, but let's keep that out of the support ML. Thanks and best wishes. On Mon, 2020-07-06 at 01:53 -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On Mon, 06 Jul 2020 01:15:13 +0200 Atri Bhattacharya <badshah400@opensuse.org> wrote:
On Sun, 2020-07-05 at 17:33 -0400, DennisG wrote:
Doug, as an aside (and no offense meant), IMO you would happier with Leap than TW: "Tumbleweed appeals to Power Users, Software Developers, and openSUSE Contributors"; it is "bleeding edge.". Sorry Dennis, but with all due respect, this is incorrect information. On the openSUSE wiki, the TW portal page [1] says the following in its __second__ paragraph to answer the question, "Who should try Tumbleweed?": "Also, Tumbleweed should appeal most to Power Users, Software Developers (who require the latest software stacks and IDEs) and openSUSE Contributors (who need a reliable platform that is as close to openSUSE Factory as possible while remaining usable)."
This means that if you are a power user, developer, or an oS contributor, TW should appeal to you the most (i.e. more than Leap) -- quite different from the impression your (mis)quoted text conveys. There seems to be some language problem here, because you and Dennis appear to me to be saying the same thing.
TW is definitely meant to be -- and recommended to be -- used by regular users who need or want the most recent *stable* (i.e. not bleeding edge) versions of packages. Indeed, on the same wiki page, the first paragraph actually says, "Any user who wishes to have newer packages than are available in the openSUSE Leap repositories."
Specific to Doug's case, he would face the exact same problems if he were to change to Leap 15.2 today, namely: no artha; even older versions of gutenprint drivers than on TW; installing non-free (and probably illegally distributed) master-pdf-editor from some random OBS repository; etc. Doug's problems are different, IMHO. Not a lot to do with the difference between TW and Leap.
Doug wanted to avoid the problems associated with upgrades from one Leap release to the next. Moving to TW would not be my choice to resolve that problem (if indeed it is capable of resolution).
Cheers,
[1] https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Tumbleweed I think I should probably chime in here, since I am the object of
On 7/5/20 7:50 PM, Dave Howorth wrote: the comments. First, I am grateful for those who have tried (and usually eventually) succeeded in dragging me into this future. I have never pretended that Linux is an easy route, altho in some respects it is a lot easier than Windows --usually there is some way to get where you want to go, here, whereas in Windows there are certain things that are just not possible at all. (As a frinstance, up until a couple of months ago, it was not possible to turn off hibernation in the latest edition of Win10. They finally fixed it so you can, now.) And Microsoft keeps throwing garbage in your face, along the way! Like, they would not allow me to create a recovery file on either of two flash-drives that I formatted to FAT32 on a Linux machine.
Be that as it may, all of you here, unless you took computer courses in college, have gone thru the same learning curves as I am facing here. And I must say, this latest version of TW seems to be much more opaque than the version from last year. A lot of my previous Linux experience seemed to be applicable, whereas now things have changed in ways unexpected. Yes , I take notes, or at least I did when I had a printer working! As of tonite, I am copying off useful information to my other machine, so as to print it out. (Printing and scanning will be my next hurdle here!)
(Yes, I had some trouble with the 2019 version--it turned out that I had to reset the fixed ip to one of the printers. Never found out why, but it worked. Figured that out myself, btw.)
So I hope that I am not proving to be an intractable burden on the inhabitants of this little corner of the computer world. I do appreciate the assistance, and perhaps I will be on the giving end also, one of these days. (I have contributed to these lists in areas that I am familiar with, like radio frequency equipment and design, rf components, propagation, antenna measurements, and so on. And even computing: I have pointed out to the troglodytes on Microsoft that there is a COMPOSE program that they can use to get things like ₤, ¢, ß, ° ⅓, ö, ç, and so on. )
--doug
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