Alexander Thoma wrote: => SNIP
so my advice: administrate your system by hand and let all those susetools untouched.
The problem is that SuSE 8.0 makes it very hard to configure manually. That's a bad tendency - especially reagrding security.
there some more things i've seen on 8.0, which i don't like. for example: - no make/gcc on default installation, - more games on the professional edition.
People who take a default installation tend to not use make or gcc. Anyone who has enough savvy to use gcc/make should certainly be able to install them. As for more games: there is more of everything, so yes, also more games. As you will see, none are installed default so what exactly is your problem with this??
so, on all new machienes i have to set up, i will use some other distributions (at the moment i think this will be debian). the machienes running suse 7.3, as long i can get working everything i want, i leave em untouched, if i need something that doesn't work with 7.3, i will reinstall an other distribution too.
maybe suse will leave the new way of satisfing windows users, then i will be able to use suse in the future, but as long as they going this way, i can't use 'em on systems i need a unix-like os.
If I'm not mistaken, all the changes in the configuration were made to standardize things between different linux versions (lsb and such?). You actually think the average Windows user is at all interested or even able to use the new configuration mechanisms?? If you feel you need to use Debian, by all means go ahead, but please don't whine about "SuSE goes desktop, they changed things around and I can't find anything anymore." Everyone is free to manually admininster their systems, in which case they will find nothing has changed this version (well nothing important anyway), if they want to use the SuSE configuration tools, then they accept that SuSE configures these so that most users will profit from them. Personally, I am extremely impressed with v8. It took me about 30 seconds to get used to sysconfig instead of rc.config, and now I can work with it like always, with the exception that every problem I've ever had with the installation process seems to have been ironed out (applause ;-)), and some of my less knowledgeable acquaintances who want to get to know linux (a move I fully support :-)) can now easily install a system as well.
this is my opinion, sad but true.
please leave out your emotional state unless it's security-related ofc ;-) Stefan