I think maintaining two different opensuse versions is a big mistake, I dont understand it and I think most users wont understand it. Shouldnt it be enough for those normal users to simply add some other repos and then press zypper dup? If that is the case, it should be "one enterprise release" + an option during installation that you can check if you want the latest and greatest from tumbleweed. It would be much less confusing.
To answer your scattering of questions succinctly
Q: "Why market openSUSE as two different releases?" A: Because it IS two different releases, built differently, with different packages, and different versions for two different use cases and user types
Tumbleweed is a rolling release which always provides the latest packages as soon as they're ready, all the time, no releases, no release schedules, no maintenance updates, just a regular stream of updated packages constantly (similar to Arch Linux for example). It's the perfect distribution for developers, openSUSE contributors, and enthusiasts who always want to use the latest of everything in the FOSS world.
Leap is a totally different Release, following a set release schedule (Minor releases each year, Major releases each year), using both enterprise sources from SLE and community packages from the openSUSE community. It's the perfect distribution for sysadmins, desktop users, or anyone who want a rock solid reliable system for getting work done.
It's that simple. Having it structured any other way would prevent either Distribution from fulfilling it's use case properly - a combined Leap/Tumbleweed installer would either have packages too old for Tumbleweed, or too new for Leap, and the capability for us to implement new features in the Tumbleweed installer would be totally hamstrung by the requirement to still support Leap in the same installer
So, two Distributions, two installers.. it's not that complicated, it's actually less than openSUSE has been doing for the last few years (Where we used to have the Regular Release AND Evergreen AND Tumbleweed AND Factory..)
On 29 August 2015 at 21:21, pc trustthesky@gmail.com wrote:
I think maintaining two different opensuse versions is a big mistake, I dont understand it and I think most users wont understand it. Shouldnt it be enough for those normal users to simply add some other repos and then press zypper dup?
If that is the case, it should be "one enterprise release" + an option during installation that you can check if you want the latest and greatest from tumbleweed. It would be much less confusing. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Should have proof-read my own email before sending it ;)
On 29 August 2015 at 21:33, Richard Brown RBrownCCB@opensuse.org wrote:
Leap is a totally different Release, following a set release schedule (Minor releases each year, Major releases each year),
Minor releases each year (Sharing code with SUSE Linux Enterprise Service Packs) Major releases every 3-4 years (Sharing code with SUSE Linux Enterprise releases)
Q: "Why market openSUSE as two different releases?" A: Because it IS two different releases, built differently, with different packages, and different versions for two different use cases and user types
Well maybe it will all work out, but to me it sounds like very similar usecases. A system admin is a user too and he is a "developer" too. An opensuse contributor could contribute to either version - and is now left wondering which one to install. For example I want to put opensuse on the server, so i suppose it would be best if I used the exact same thing as my desktop as would then later be on the server. But then again, I might also sometimes want the latest kernel. So I dont know why but I wasnt this confused with the Ubuntu versions. Otherwise I might run into incompatabilities regarding packages right? This is sort of like having two incompatible windows versions, that's unheard of. Archlinux has its hands full with supporting a single type of distribution and now Opensuse tries to do two things at the same time. If you say it's even less than before, so be it but having only one product sounds better to me.
And the fact that a leap release only comes every 3-4 years just sounds to me like it's going to be a completely different opensuse every 3-4 years. These arguments that Leap is more rock solid - I mean any normal user wants that for his desktop too. If anything, I dont think that's a good marketing position. Maybe call it LTS like Ubuntu does..
2015-08-29 21:33 GMT+02:00 Richard Brown RBrownCCB@opensuse.org:
To answer your scattering of questions succinctly
Q: "Why market openSUSE as two different releases?" A: Because it IS two different releases, built differently, with different packages, and different versions for two different use cases and user types
Tumbleweed is a rolling release which always provides the latest packages as soon as they're ready, all the time, no releases, no release schedules, no maintenance updates, just a regular stream of updated packages constantly (similar to Arch Linux for example). It's the perfect distribution for developers, openSUSE contributors, and enthusiasts who always want to use the latest of everything in the FOSS world.
Leap is a totally different Release, following a set release schedule (Minor releases each year, Major releases each year), using both enterprise sources from SLE and community packages from the openSUSE community. It's the perfect distribution for sysadmins, desktop users, or anyone who want a rock solid reliable system for getting work done.
It's that simple. Having it structured any other way would prevent either Distribution from fulfilling it's use case properly - a combined Leap/Tumbleweed installer would either have packages too old for Tumbleweed, or too new for Leap, and the capability for us to implement new features in the Tumbleweed installer would be totally hamstrung by the requirement to still support Leap in the same installer
So, two Distributions, two installers.. it's not that complicated, it's actually less than openSUSE has been doing for the last few years (Where we used to have the Regular Release AND Evergreen AND Tumbleweed AND Factory..)
On 29 August 2015 at 21:21, pc trustthesky@gmail.com wrote:
I think maintaining two different opensuse versions is a big mistake, I dont understand it and I think most users wont understand it. Shouldnt it be enough for those normal users to simply add some other repos and then press zypper dup?
If that is the case, it should be "one enterprise release" + an option during installation that you can check if you want the latest and greatest from tumbleweed. It would be much less confusing. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
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On 2015-08-29 22:09, Traktor Toni wrote:
Well maybe it will all work out, but to me it sounds like very similar usecases. A system admin is a user too and he is a "developer" too. An opensuse contributor could contribute to either version - and is now left wondering which one to install. For example I want to put opensuse on the server, so i suppose it would be best if I used the exact same thing as my desktop as would then later be on the server. But then again, I might also sometimes want the latest kernel. So I dont know why but I wasnt this confused with the Ubuntu versions.
I don't see any confusion whatsoever.
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