Re: [opensuse-project] openSUSE Guiding Principles
I think the Guiding Principles is lacking because it does not reference the whole of the OpenSUSE community, specifically, the various forums that serve it. Here's what the Guiding Principles WIKI pages currently says: "Communication Infrastructure Working on free software is based on effective communication on different levels. This is actively facilitated with platforms driven by the project such as the Wiki, mailinglists, IRC or Bugzilla." -- "Guiding Princples" document on the wiki, 1 PM CDT, 2007-05-25 http://forums.suselinuxsupport.de has 29,541 members as of today, http://www.suseforums.net has 19,493, and http://www.opensuse.us has 2852. That's not even mentioning the non-English speaking forums. While there is some account overlap there (I have an account on all three), I think that leaving the forums out of this cuts out a chunk of users who don't follow the OpenSUSE mailing lists or IRC. I'd like to see the following changes: 1. Refer to the forums in the Communication Infrastructure section. 2. Add the various forums in the "Appendix" section as part of the "discussed in the public community" line. Someone should post the resulting draft in each OpenSUSE forum for forum-member feedback. I would be happy to do this for SUSE Forums.net, SUSE Linux Support.de, and OpenSUSE.us. Someone else would need to tackle the non-English forums. 3. Going along with #2, once the forum members have responded, collect the data and return it to the ML, IRC, or wherever it needs to go. As long as I'm told what to do with the data, I'd also be willing to handle this for the aforementioned 3 English forums. ~~ Andrew D., aka andrewd18 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Hi Andrew, On 5/25/07, linuxnoob@wi.rr.com <linuxnoob@wi.rr.com> wrote:
I'd like to see the following changes:
1. Refer to the forums in the Communication Infrastructure section.
Sounds very reasonable to me.
2. Add the various forums in the "Appendix" section as part of the "discussed in the public community" line.
This sounds a little unnecessary and out of the scope of the guiding principles. Its purpose isn't to highlight the different areas of the community to a user, but to simply remark on the guiding principles or the code of conduct that persons in the openSUSE community should have.
Someone should post the resulting draft in each OpenSUSE forum for forum-member feedback. I would be happy to do this for SUSE Forums.net, SUSE Linux Support.de, and OpenSUSE.us. Someone else would need to tackle the non-English forums.
There's no reason why anyone couldn't have done that before; I think it should in general be done for all such news as well :)
3. Going along with #2, once the forum members have responded, collect the data and return it to the ML, IRC, or wherever it needs to go. As long as I'm told what to do with the data, I'd also be willing to handle this for the aforementioned 3 English forums.
Anyone with direct comments/suggestions should post them straight on the mailing list (it's open to everyone); though if you see good ideas from others you could also definitely post them here. Kind thoughts, -- Francis Giannaros http://francis.giannaros.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On 5/25/07, Francis Giannaros <francisg@gmail.com> wrote:
This sounds a little unnecessary and out of the scope of the guiding principles. Its purpose isn't to highlight the different areas of the community to a user, but to simply remark on the guiding principles or the code of conduct that persons in the openSUSE community should have.
Woops, I misread Andrew D's comment here; I thought he was referring to the general guiding principles rather than the appendix, so please disregard that comment :) Kind thoughts, -- Francis Giannaros http://francis.giannaros.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Den Friday 25 May 2007 20:33:10 skrev linuxnoob@wi.rr.com:
I'd like to see the following changes:
1. Refer to the forums in the Communication Infrastructure section.
I don't think the forums belong in (official) openSUSE (project) communication infrastructure. The forums do good support, but they're mostly rather disconnected from the project - save perhaps a few people who post openSUSE project news. I personally try to inform people on suseforum.dk about what's going on as much as possible, and try to encourage people to participate through official channels - by posting links to wiki and mailinglist archieves. Of course I listen to their complaints and issues and try to report back from the front lines. But I don't see how the forum can be considered part of openSUSE communication infrastructure - those people are far, far away from the openSUSE project - I don't think we should hide that by pretending the forums are part of the project's Communiciation Infrastructure. If we created an official, central forum that had closer integration with the rest of the project that would be a different matter. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
But I don't see how the forum can be considered part of openSUSE communication infrastructure - those people are far, far away from the openSUSE project - I don't think we should hide that by pretending the forums are part of the project's Communiciation Infrastructure. Yes, the forums are split. Yes, they are not currently as involved with
Martin Schlander wrote: the development of openSUSE Linux as the mailing lists or the IRC channels. I'm not going to argue with you there. I also don't want us to pretend that the forums are currently part of the project's Communication Infrastructure, because they're not. No one here wants to lie about the situation. However, the objectives of the board of maintainers is as follows: * Centralize communication * Help resolve conflicts * Communicate community interests to Novell * Facilitate communication and decision making processes where needed. This plan is designed to strengthen communication channels between Novell, the project, and the community. If the forums are included in that, you are cutting off an entire section of people who _want_ to be part of that community, whether they currently are or not. They wouldn't be posting on openSUSE related forums if they weren't interested in the openSUSE project or its community. We're already strengthening communication channels. Now is the perfect time to bring the forums back into the official community by including them in the strengthening process. Initiate the process - send an e-mail to the administrators of the forums: ask them if they would like to help bring feedback from their members to the openSUSE community as a whole. I suspect that a good portion of them would be more than happy to strengthen the community's feedback loop. ~~ Andrew D., aka andrewd18 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 25 May 2007 20:33, linuxnoob@wi.rr.com wrote:
1. Refer to the forums in the Communication Infrastructure section.
That makes sense. Even if the forums are not part of the "official" infrastructure they certainly belong to the community.
2. Add the various forums in the "Appendix" section as part of the "discussed in the public community" line. Someone should post the resulting draft in each OpenSUSE forum for forum-member feedback. I would be happy to do this for SUSE Forums.net, SUSE Linux Support.de, and OpenSUSE.us. Someone else would need to tackle the non-English forums.
3. Going along with #2, once the forum members have responded, collect the data and return it to the ML, IRC, or wherever it needs to go. As long as I'm told what to do with the data, I'd also be willing to handle this for the aforementioned 3 English forums.
That sounds good. If there are places in the forums where people are interested in giving feedback to the draft of the Guiding Principles, please feel free to discuss it there. It would be great if the results of the discussions could be collected and send to the opensuse-projects mailing list again, so that we have one central place where all the feedback is collected. -- Cornelius Schumacher <cschum@suse.de> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
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