On 12/23/06, KaiSVK <jozo@axalnet.sk> wrote:

Dear and respected openSuSE community, I have been banned from IRC channel #suse by "some" [daemon] for, I believe, NO REASON. If I am mistaken, please, mail me the reason...

If you feel you have been treated unfairly by a specific op, you could have taken it up with any of the other ops. "/msg chanserv access #suse list" or "/msg SUSEhelp ops" This mailing list is really not an appropriate place. I won't comment on whether the ban was fair or not as I was not watching the channel at the time. It does appear from a cursory glance at the logs that you continued to ask the same question several times after being given an answer and a link to read several times too, with no indication you were listening to the answers.

Official statement [daemon] gave to me - "I don't like idiots who don't listen" or something like that. And that he's giving me some lesson... I think the reason and "my crime against rules" was that I asked for help and maybe disagreed with [daemon], and I still disagree ... If disagreement and asking for help is a reason to ban user from channel, then this OP [daemon] is either frustrated that he will spend christmas alone and must compensate this on IRC or something, or he is some kind of comunist fighting against DEMOCRACY, or I don't know... But there is one thing I know for sure. Even if [daemon] is some "project VIP" this kind of man has nothing to do as OP in #suse channel.

Even if you were correct and the ban was the result of a misunderstanding that is no reason to attack the person directly. [daemon] has helped in the channel for years and also helped

I am not talking just about myself and my "ban without meaning", but about his continuous arogance, intolerance and rude behaviour againts linux newbies or totally new people to linux-community.

That has not been my observation.

Dear openSuSE community, If this is the way we all want to promote linux to be used everywhere, to help migrate people to linux, to help people use it, the way to be rude, arogant, intolerant to new users then IMHO it's not the right way acomplish these goals.

I agree, and endeavour to be as polite and tolerant as possible, and only ban when allowing someone to remain in the channel would reduce the channel's effectiveness. In #suse we are actually far more permissive than most channels, some policing must be done though, or the trolls make the channel unusable.

I officially demand reconsider acting of [daemon] as an OP in #suse channel and please, let me tell my opinion again - I have never met some kind of rude and complex-frustrated man like [daemon] on the whole internet in my whole life, and that every single user, even the biggest linux newbie must be better OP than Mr. [daemon].

The ban was not for long, you can soon rejoin. [daemon] has given up his time to help people and police the channel for many years. I'm also not sure what you mean by "officially demand". The #suse channel is unofficial, [daemon] is one of the oldest channel members. _ Benjamin Weber --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org