Op zaterdag 28 maart 2020 22:19:09 CET schreef Christian Boltz:

AFAIK distrowatch counts clicks on their page, so the easiest way to become #1 there is probably to start a "click here for free beer!" distro ;-))

Best comment on distrowatch's statistics: If your distro hits #1, it means it has the highest number of users looking for something better. ( me during a talk ).

These numbers are not really related to the number of users.

Replace 'not really' by 'absolutely not' . Neither are they related to quality of the distro. -- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Am Sonntag, 29. März 2020, 00:13:20 CEST schrieb Vinzenz Vietzke:

Am Samstag, 28. März 2020, 22:28:40 CET schrieb Knurpht-openSUSE:

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These numbers are not really related to the number of users.

Replace 'not really' by 'absolutely not' . Neither are they related to quality of the distro.

To emphasize that here's something I came across a while ago:

Project leader of some small Debian-based distribution explains how he's pushing up the numbers at DW. https://forums.solydxk.com/viewtopic.php?t=5985

Hm, and already with a 'Push my distro up' script.

So I guess it's safe to assume that many others are doing the same. It's all about the clicks, baby.

I guess the team around MXLinux is doing the same (never heard of it before). So I guess if evreyone on the ML visits distrowatch each day, the page counts will go through the roof. That proofs that the ranking is bullsh*t. But stll people look for these kinds on rankings.... Cheers Axel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Axel Braun composed on 2020-03-29 10:04 (UTC+0200):

But stll people look for these kinds on rankings....

IMO DW is not irrelevant. IMO it is a place people wanting or needing to leave Windows go to make comparisons among options, and for this purpose, it's good because of the way it tabulates objective characteristics, such as release dates and major package versions. I'm unaware of anything remotely like it to compare to. That to experienced Linux users it obviously is subject to distortions in its "popularity" system doesn't really doesn't seem to me would impact inexperienced users or non-user shoppers. Maybe most openSUSE users or those active as "marketers" don't want such users to be a cause of openSUSE growth. Maybe that's consistent with making "openSUSE the platform of choice for Linux developers and software vendors", but I don't see it as consistent with making it "the most widely used Linux distribution". It seems to me shoppers are likely to equate "rolling" to "unstable" or at least, to impacted by changes with higher frequency. Don't others here agree this could be so? The subject dual characterization is only the most recent thing about DW that bothers me. Those that bother me more and have probably been around longer are: 1-page count rankings, whether distorted or not, had Fedora and openSUSE in more or less tandem for over a decade. That's been history for some time now, as instead of zero separation in between there is now a growing number, currently up to 9, with Fedora remaining in the top 10 despite the possibly scripted distortions that seem evident. 2-There's nothing evident to explain away the misleadingly ancient official (SLE) kernel version in Leap. Who wants to begin a new existence with an "old" heart? As a problem hunter, fixer and non-optimist, I spend considerable time trying to answer questions on forums and mailing lists. I see fewer questions on openSUSE's own than in the past, and as a result spend enough time more recently on linuxquestions.org to get a feeling that DW popularity rankings may well be in line with actual usage. Even though they seem to have competent and active forums of their own, Mint, Ubuntu and more recently MX and AntiX users' questions dominate. When I try to gather info in trying to answer these, Ubuntu hits on Google are always prominent, while to find any from opensuse.org I need to include site:opensuse.org as a search term or navigate to hits beyond the first page full. The competence of openSUSE surely plays some part in low openSUSE support request numbers, but these things I routinely encounter, plus the number of board candidates running low and last minute, plus the number of Wiki pages still showing only long ago retired versions while absent current, give me the feeling openSUSE is in decline or stagnation, not growth. Only health reflected through BS activity, which I don't know how to track, and designer distros don't feature, seems likely contrary to decline. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 22:19:09 +0100, Christian Boltz wrote:

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BTW, not so long ago, openSUSE was hot on the heels of Fedora in the bottom half of the top 10. A whole bunch of other distros seem to be getting their word out a lot better than is openSUSE no having dropped to #18 behind Neon and Solus among other relative youngsters.

AFAIK distrowatch counts clicks on their page, so the easiest way to become #1 there is probably to start a "click here for free beer!" distro ;-))

These numbers are not really related to the number of users.

I always thought it'd be interesting to see what happened if the browser default home page for all browsers shipped with openSUSE pointed to the openSUSE distrowatch page. But I've always been puzzled about why people read more into that number than what it actually is - like you said, Christian, a page counter. :) -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 18:16, Patrick Shanahan <paka@opensuse.org> wrote:

* Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> [01-01-70 12:34]:

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I can't recall seeing anywhere else Leap being classified as "rolling". https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=opensuse

BTW, not so long ago, openSUSE was hot on the heels of Fedora in the bottom half of the top 10. A whole bunch of other distros seem to be getting their word out a lot better than is openSUSE no having dropped to #18 behind Neon and Solus among other relative youngsters.

count=0; while : ; do distrowatch.sh ; count=`expr $count + 1` ; echo \ $count ; sleep 100; done

http://wahoo.no-ip.org/~paka/distrowatch.sh

#https://forums.solydxk.com/viewtopic.php?t=5985 #script from Arjen Balfoort

This is easy to avoid by skipping count on those exact user agent strings. I would instead generate random user agent strings based on those (and others you can find online) as a template. LCP [Stasiek] https://lcp.world -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

* Jim Henderson <hendersj@gmail.com> [03-30-20 19:06]:

On Mon, 30 Mar 2020 18:16:28 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> [01-01-70 12:34]:

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I can't recall seeing anywhere else Leap being classified as "rolling". https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=opensuse

BTW, not so long ago, openSUSE was hot on the heels of Fedora in the bottom half of the top 10. A whole bunch of other distros seem to be getting their word out a lot better than is openSUSE no having dropped to #18 behind Neon and Solus among other relative youngsters.

count=0; while : ; do distrowatch.sh ; count=`expr $count + 1` ; echo \ $count ; sleep 100; done

http://wahoo.no-ip.org/~paka/distrowatch.sh

#https://forums.solydxk.com/viewtopic.php?t=5985 #script from Arjen Balfoort

-- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/ piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode

I don't know that that would work.

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From https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=faq#phr :

"These rules have been implemented to prevent various counter reloading schemes: * Repeated page and counter reloads in short or regular intervals are not permitted. * All suspicious page hit counts will be investigated and any regularly reloaded counts will be deducted from the total count. * The repeat offender's IP address might be banned from accessing all areas of DistroWatch."

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will, not that I really care being banned from ?? Distrowatch ??. It has little value to me. But the average count for openSUSE is rising, and may not be from my bot. and the following is better: count=0 date=$(date '+%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S') ; while : ; \ do distrowatch.sh ; count=`expr $count + 1` ; \ echo $count $date ; sleep 100; done -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Am 31.03.20 um 05:00 schrieb Patrick Shanahan:

* Patrick Shanahan <paka@opensuse.org> [03-30-20 22:54]: [...]

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and the following is better: count=0 date=$(date '+%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S') ; while : ; \ do distrowatch.sh ; count=`expr $count + 1` ; \ echo $count $date ; sleep 100; done

that should be: count=0; while : ; do distrowatch.sh ; count=`expr $count + 1` ; \ date=$(date '+%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S') ; echo $count $date ; sleep 100; done

Can you please stop posting fraud instructions? I think it's understood that the numbers are meaningless, so stop making it worse. Let's face it: openSUSE is not the hippest distribution and not the freshest. So go out and tell the world the benefits of openSUSE. No one will go and try openSUSE because it ranks higher in page counts that script kiddie Patrick faked. Greetings, Stephan -- Lighten up, just enjoy life, smile more, laugh more, and don't get so worked up about things. Kenneth Branagh -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org