Hello, Am Samstag, 28. März 2020, 08:58:31 CET schrieb Felix Miata:

I can't recall seeing anywhere else Leap being classified as "rolling". https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=opensuse

Leap is rolling during development (alpha/beta phase), and gets frozen on release day. Nevertheless, "Rolling, Fixed" looks a bit confusing, and the "Rolling" part is even wrong for pre-Leap (and IIRC also some older Leap) releases which had some "frozen" alpha and beta releases.

BTW, not so long ago, openSUSE was hot on the heels of Fedora in the bottom half of the top 10. A whole bunch of other distros seem to be getting their word out a lot better than is openSUSE no having dropped to #18 behind Neon and Solus among other relative youngsters.

AFAIK distrowatch counts clicks on their page, so the easiest way to become #1 there is probably to start a "click here for free beer!" distro ;-)) These numbers are not really related to the number of users. Regards, Christian Boltz -- "Der Pinguin ist ein gutes Logo für Linux, denn was nicht fliegt, stürzt auch nicht ab." Francis Kuhlen (IBM-Vice President Sales) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Op zaterdag 28 maart 2020 22:19:09 CET schreef Christian Boltz:

AFAIK distrowatch counts clicks on their page, so the easiest way to become #1 there is probably to start a "click here for free beer!" distro ;-))

Best comment on distrowatch's statistics: If your distro hits #1, it means it has the highest number of users looking for something better. ( me during a talk ).

These numbers are not really related to the number of users.

Replace 'not really' by 'absolutely not' . Neither are they related to quality of the distro. -- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Am Sonntag, 29. März 2020, 00:13:20 CEST schrieb Vinzenz Vietzke:

Am Samstag, 28. März 2020, 22:28:40 CET schrieb Knurpht-openSUSE:

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These numbers are not really related to the number of users.

Replace 'not really' by 'absolutely not' . Neither are they related to quality of the distro.

To emphasize that here's something I came across a while ago:

Project leader of some small Debian-based distribution explains how he's pushing up the numbers at DW. https://forums.solydxk.com/viewtopic.php?t=5985

Hm, and already with a 'Push my distro up' script.

So I guess it's safe to assume that many others are doing the same. It's all about the clicks, baby.

I guess the team around MXLinux is doing the same (never heard of it before). So I guess if evreyone on the ML visits distrowatch each day, the page counts will go through the roof. That proofs that the ranking is bullsh*t. But stll people look for these kinds on rankings.... Cheers Axel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

On 3/29/20 9:43 AM, Vinzenz Vietzke wrote:

Am Samstag, 28. März 2020, 22:28:40 CET schrieb Knurpht-openSUSE:

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These numbers are not really related to the number of users.

Replace 'not really' by 'absolutely not' . Neither are they related to quality of the distro.

To emphasize that here's something I came across a while ago:

Project leader of some small Debian-based distribution explains how he's pushing up the numbers at DW. https://forums.solydxk.com/viewtopic.php?t=5985

So I guess it's safe to assume that many others are doing the same. It's all about the clicks, baby.

There are a couple of things that also don't help us with clicks, firstly its been pretty well shown that release announcements generate significant numbers of clicks tumbleweed has none of these a year, where as Leap gets 2 (1 Beta), compare that to ubuntu which including its ltss releases generated 8 announcements last year. At the same time newer distro's people haven't heard of before also get a boost because half the point of the site is to learn about distro's you haven't heard of so newer distro's can get more clicks that way. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B

On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 22:19:09 +0100, Christian Boltz wrote:

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BTW, not so long ago, openSUSE was hot on the heels of Fedora in the bottom half of the top 10. A whole bunch of other distros seem to be getting their word out a lot better than is openSUSE no having dropped to #18 behind Neon and Solus among other relative youngsters.

AFAIK distrowatch counts clicks on their page, so the easiest way to become #1 there is probably to start a "click here for free beer!" distro ;-))

These numbers are not really related to the number of users.

I always thought it'd be interesting to see what happened if the browser default home page for all browsers shipped with openSUSE pointed to the openSUSE distrowatch page. But I've always been puzzled about why people read more into that number than what it actually is - like you said, Christian, a page counter. :) -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 18:16, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Felix Miata [01-01-70 12:34]:

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I can't recall seeing anywhere else Leap being classified as "rolling". https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=opensuse

BTW, not so long ago, openSUSE was hot on the heels of Fedora in the bottom half of the top 10. A whole bunch of other distros seem to be getting their word out a lot better than is openSUSE no having dropped to #18 behind Neon and Solus among other relative youngsters.

count=0; while : ; do distrowatch.sh ; count=`expr $count + 1` ; echo \ $count ; sleep 100; done

http://wahoo.no-ip.org/~paka/distrowatch.sh

#https://forums.solydxk.com/viewtopic.php?t=5985 #script from Arjen Balfoort

This is easy to avoid by skipping count on those exact user agent strings. I would instead generate random user agent strings based on those (and others you can find online) as a template. LCP [Stasiek] https://lcp.world -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

* Jim Henderson [03-30-20 19:06]:

On Mon, 30 Mar 2020 18:16:28 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Felix Miata [01-01-70 12:34]:

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I can't recall seeing anywhere else Leap being classified as "rolling". https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=opensuse

BTW, not so long ago, openSUSE was hot on the heels of Fedora in the bottom half of the top 10. A whole bunch of other distros seem to be getting their word out a lot better than is openSUSE no having dropped to #18 behind Neon and Solus among other relative youngsters.

count=0; while : ; do distrowatch.sh ; count=`expr $count + 1` ; echo \ $count ; sleep 100; done

http://wahoo.no-ip.org/~paka/distrowatch.sh

#https://forums.solydxk.com/viewtopic.php?t=5985 #script from Arjen Balfoort

-- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/ piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode

I don't know that that would work.

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From https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=faq#phr :

"These rules have been implemented to prevent various counter reloading schemes: * Repeated page and counter reloads in short or regular intervals are not permitted. * All suspicious page hit counts will be investigated and any regularly reloaded counts will be deducted from the total count. * The repeat offender's IP address might be banned from accessing all areas of DistroWatch."

-- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits

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will, not that I really care being banned from ?? Distrowatch ??. It has little value to me. But the average count for openSUSE is rising, and may not be from my bot. and the following is better: count=0 date=$(date '+%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S') ; while : ; \ do distrowatch.sh ; count=`expr $count + 1` ; \ echo $count $date ; sleep 100; done -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Am 31.03.20 um 05:00 schrieb Patrick Shanahan:

* Patrick Shanahan [03-30-20 22:54]: [...]

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and the following is better: count=0 date=$(date '+%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S') ; while : ; \ do distrowatch.sh ; count=`expr $count + 1` ; \ echo $count $date ; sleep 100; done

that should be: count=0; while : ; do distrowatch.sh ; count=`expr $count + 1` ; \ date=$(date '+%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S') ; echo $count $date ; sleep 100; done

Can you please stop posting fraud instructions? I think it's understood that the numbers are meaningless, so stop making it worse. Let's face it: openSUSE is not the hippest distribution and not the freshest. So go out and tell the world the benefits of openSUSE. No one will go and try openSUSE because it ranks higher in page counts that script kiddie Patrick faked. Greetings, Stephan -- Lighten up, just enjoy life, smile more, laugh more, and don't get so worked up about things. Kenneth Branagh -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org