[project] cannot login on https://forums.opensuse.org/ in SeaMonkey, Pale Moon, or Falkon
https://progress.opensuse.org/issues/152413 has been summarily closed. Rather than limiting follow-up to the few who ever address or have interest in progress.opensuse.org issues, I thought it better to comment to a larger openSUSE audience. You may open the above link to see the initial report and "closing" (about 1600 characters). What follows is the further comment I originally intended to make there: I'll cede some power might be in short supply, but you admins have all the decision power you need. You chose the site software. You installed it. As the site maintainers, you can revert the ostensible "upgrade", revert to the software used previously, or install other software, such as the user-friendly software used by https://www.linuxquestions.org/. I did none of those things. I'm not a discourse user or admin. I'm a website user. The forum admins are the discourse users. The admins chose it. The admins installed it. The admins maintain it. They should be taking it up with upstream if they can't figure out how to solve the problem themselves. Partaking in openSUSE user assistance via email is what the mailing lists are for. What exactly are these so-called "security updates" that necessitate shutting out users of multiple web browsers? Were there any issues that applied generally, such as to include forums.opensuse.org, or were they limited in applicability, thus not forums.opensuse.org? Were there not release notes for the update that warned multiple web browsers would no longer be "supported", even though "web browsers" are not what websites are supposed to support, but user agent functionality? The concept of "web browser" support has been broken from day one. W3 instructs it's function to sniff for if sniffing is necessary, which itself should be limited. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
On Mon, 11 Dec 2023 18:07:46 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
What exactly are these so-called "security updates" that necessitate shutting out users of multiple web browsers? Were there any issues that applied generally, such as to include forums.opensuse.org, or were they limited in applicability, thus not forums.opensuse.org?
Were there not release notes for the update that warned multiple web browsers would no longer be "supported", even though "web browsers" are not what websites are supposed to support, but user agent functionality? The concept of "web browser" support has been broken from day one. W3 instructs it's function to sniff for if sniffing is necessary, which itself should be limited.
The update that was installed was a security update, but the browser support changes were not related to security specifically. I've asked upstream about it, and here's what they told me. Seamonkey says it's FF 91 compatible, but it isn't - it's actually based on FF 60.8. Seamonkey does not support the CSS attribute "aspect-ratio", which Discourse depends on, and has since 2021. In my investigation, the change that caused Seamonkey to stop working was the dropping of support for iOS releases earlier than 15, which also do not support that attribute. The change in the upstream Discourse software was implemented about 11 months ago - we were behind on updates, and the update that was implemented recently got us current. That CSS attribute has been part of the standard now for a number of years. It's probably something you should report a bug for against Seamonkey, as more and more sites are depending on it (in a quick test, I noticed that Reddit also doesn't work well with Seamonkey). -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits
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