[opensuse-project] Opensuse Mailing list collection vs. lkml collection [Was: Members, application and voting]
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@medozas.de> wrote:
On Tuesday 2010-06-22 17:12, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
My issue is that:
1) those lists have developed great functionality in the normal post / reply process that does not require subscription. Thus if I am directed to the btrfs list for a question, I can just post and not have to subscribe.
[...] And in general how much sense does it make to post to a mailinglist you are not subscribed to? That's like running into the room, shouting your question/remark and then running out again before anyone can answer/respond to you.
Your comparison to a room/IRC channel is flawed. Posting to a non-subscribed list makes _perfect_ sense. Contrary to IRC, the poster _does_ leave means and identity available by which replies can be conveyed to him, and his subsequent replies be conveyed back to the other participants. It's more like a forums.opensuse.org and only ever looking at your own thread.
Henne, I don't know if you know any kernel developers, but if you do, go to lunch with them and get them to talk about how flexible it is to have a set of mailing lists that works the way the lkml ones do. One simple example, let's say that during this email thread I thought GregKH should be added to the conversation, but he's not subscribed to this list. With the lkml model, I simply add him to the CC line and add some introductory text just for him so he has some context. Then he and all other participants continue the conversation by doing a reply all and he is able to participate without even knowing that something that concerned him was being discussed. And without having to waste his time monitoring every mailing list which might have discussions he might need to participate in. The lkml list collection has been functioning this way for well over 5 years so everyone on the kernel team should know it well. (I don't know when the started.) That brings up another example, lets say you wanted ask that team to discuss how the lkml lists work from there perspective. Assuming your not subscribed, you would still just post your new topic, they would all do a reply-all and thus you would stay in the conversation, even though you never subscribed. And when the topic died, you would not have to unsubscribe.
After all its about public discussion. Of course you can expect people to run after you (a.k.a. keeping the CC list intact) but that's not really nice either.
They don't need to run, they just have to use the Reply-All functionality of their MUA.
That is exactly what is expected and required it you participate in the lkml collection of lists. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Hey Greg, On 22.06.2010 20:12, Greg Freemyer wrote:
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@medozas.de> wrote:
On Tuesday 2010-06-22 17:12, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
My issue is that:
1) those lists have developed great functionality in the normal post / reply process that does not require subscription. Thus if I am directed to the btrfs list for a question, I can just post and not have to subscribe.
[...] And in general how much sense does it make to post to a mailinglist you are not subscribed to? That's like running into the room, shouting your question/remark and then running out again before anyone can answer/respond to you.
Your comparison to a room/IRC channel is flawed. Posting to a non-subscribed list makes _perfect_ sense. Contrary to IRC, the poster _does_ leave means and identity available by which replies can be conveyed to him, and his subsequent replies be conveyed back to the other participants. It's more like a forums.opensuse.org and only ever looking at your own thread.
Still this is not what most mailinglists are about. Hence most of our lists don't allow that.
I don't know if you know any kernel developers, but if you do, go to lunch with them and get them to talk about how flexible it is to have a set of mailing lists that works the way the lkml ones do.
Dude I'm using and maintaining mailinglists since 10+ years. What you are talking about technically is a simple 'rm subonlypost' in the mailinglist config directory. I get what you are talking about you don't have to explain it over and over to me :) What you don't seem to understand is that most lists don't WANT to be configured that way. They don't WANT random people to be able to post to the list. They don't WANT to reply to all every time. This is about policy not about technical implementation. So if you want to change the policy of a list you have to discuss with me and the list members about that. I can't and i won't simply change the way the lists behave and the way the lists are supposed to be used because it's technically possible and it works for some other mailinglist. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
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