Pavol Rusnak wrote:

On 06/21/2010 05:49 PM, Per Jessen wrote:

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+1. You really ought to create a wiki page for that.

I would prefer merging this strategy into Derivatives one (or vice versa) rather than creating yet another strategy wiki page.

I see no problems in that. I have to say, I really like Cornelius calling it a "reference distribution". To me, that term has a lot of positive connotations. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.1°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 21 June 2010 17:49:51 Per Jessen wrote:

Cornelius Schumacher wrote:

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After reading the strategy thread I thought it would be best to come up with an alternative strategy proposal, as this better expresses what I would like to see for openSUSE in the future than discussing all the details of the other proposals. It's somehow based on the other proposals, but tries to be not as limited. It's also not meant to introduce any brand new ideas, but more build on top of what already is there in the community. So here you go:

+1. You really ought to create a wiki page for that.

Did that now: http://en.opensuse.org/Documents/Strategy/Platform -- Cornelius Schumacher -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Mandag den 21. juni 2010 17:50:40 skrev Pavol Rusnak:

On 06/21/2010 05:20 PM, Cornelius Schumacher wrote:

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After reading the strategy thread I thought it would be best to come up with an alternative strategy proposal, as this better expresses what I would like to see for openSUSE in the future than discussing all the details of the other proposals. It's somehow based on the other proposals, but tries to be not as limited. It's also not meant to introduce any brand new ideas, but more build

I see a LOT of similarities with the Derivatives strategy.

Me too :-) And I believe that any strategy will fail unless it has at its core to make openSUSE an attractive main OS in itself. People will tend to choose their own preferred distro for their derivatives and their contributions. So the strategy should be to make people use openSUSE as their preferred OS - then the other things would follow "automatically". -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:

2010/6/21 Martin Schlander :

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And I believe that any strategy will fail unless it has at its core to make openSUSE an attractive main OS in itself.

People will tend to choose their own preferred distro for their derivatives and their contributions. So the strategy should be to make people use openSUSE as their preferred OS - then the other things would follow "automatically".

I agree with you. Again! :-)

I never realized that's how "Fedora Studio" and "Federa Build Service" came to be. Oh wait........., there is no "Fedora Studio" nor "Federa Build Service" despite it having lots of people for which it is the preferred distro. Maybe Fedora needs a better strategy if they are going to be more than a throw-away distro. (Which is at least my opinion of it, but maybe they have a Fedora Universe that adds value I don't know about.) Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Mandag den 21. juni 2010 20:30:33 skrev Greg Freemyer:

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Alberto Passalacqua

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2010/6/21 Martin Schlander :

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And I believe that any strategy will fail unless it has at its core to make openSUSE an attractive main OS in itself.

People will tend to choose their own preferred distro for their derivatives and their contributions. So the strategy should be to make people use openSUSE as their preferred OS - then the other things would follow "automatically".

I agree with you. Again! :-)

I never realized that's how "Fedora Studio" and "Federa Build Service" came to be.

Oh wait........., there is no "Fedora Studio" nor "Federa Build Service" despite it having lots of people for which it is the preferred distro.

Fedora have other tools for building packages and making respins. And lots of Fedora respins exist - despite their tools being inferior. Same can be said for Ubuntu. Which only supports my point. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 20:45:23 +0200, Guido Berhoerster wrote:

* Martin Schlander [2010-06-21 20:00]:

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I see a LOT of similarities with the Derivatives strategy.

Me too :-)

And I believe that any strategy will fail unless it has at its core to make openSUSE an attractive main OS in itself.

People will tend to choose their own preferred distro for their derivatives and their contributions. So the strategy should be to make people use openSUSE as their preferred OS - then the other things would follow "automatically".

Exactly. And openSUSE currently already provides an infrastructure with the Build Service and Studio which makes it very easy to create derivatives. So why adopt a strategy which focuses on one single aspect (which is already a strength) at the expense of others (in this case a focus end-users)?

-- Guido Berhoerster

Hi, I'm going to get away from this mailing list very soon. Too much pollution for nothing. If you are so worried what people want ask them! Shut down everything and put up vote what do you want. They'll tell you what they miss very loudy. If mission not become number one GNU/Linux distro on earth i'm starting to use Ubuntu or Fedora on our servers and development enviroment. Don't mind developers they come when we have enough users. Money will follow. Problem is why people use other distro than openSUSE not why openSUSE exists. openSUSE is not for developers like open source and free software ain't for developers. They are for users (that is what everyone tends to forget). I JUST ASK How much more documentation have other distros? MSDN in documention way got it very right. That should be the goal of documentation. what you don't find there it doesn't exists. Tuukka ps. Please form another mailing list for discussion like this. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 12:36 PM, jdd wrote:

Le 21/06/2010 17:20, Cornelius Schumacher a écrit :

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After reading the strategy thread I thought it would be best to come up with an alternative strategy proposal,

very pleasant post, extremely attractive content.

Just a note: it's a very good description of an openSUSE universe, but we need to give more details about "he official openSUSE distribution as reference implementation"

Agreed, but I started with SuSE almost 10 years ago because of the distribution. Today I'm still here because of the openSUSE universe. The distribution per se I suspect I could replace with Fedora and not feel like I 'd lost anything. But I'd lose the rest of the universe and I'd miss that. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org