[opensuse-project] Standing up for the Board
Hi All I would like to stand up for the board elections this year. My Primary Goals during this time : 1. Organizing Programs like GSoC and other programs that encourage new contributors to come-in 2. Knowing where all the funds come from and into. Pretty much all that comes to us is from SUSE. But there are donations from the community during oSC's which are totally unaccounted for. I believe before a foundation comes into place, the Board should be able to keep a track of whatever little funds that come from other sources should be accountable to the community. 3. Correspondence - The Board should have good correspondence with the community. So if the community asks something, the board should respond to it -- Regards Manu Gupta -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Hey Manu, On 27.11.2012 15:49, Manu Gupta wrote:
But there are donations from the community during oSC's which are totally unaccounted for.
I believe when you throw around an accusation like this you should back them up with facts. So please, would you go into details? What exactly do you think is unaccounted for and how did yo try to account for it? After all you're a board member currently... Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Henne Vogelsang <hvogel@opensuse.org> wrote:
Hey Manu,
On 27.11.2012 15:49, Manu Gupta wrote:
But there are donations from the community during oSC's which are totally unaccounted for.
I believe when you throw around an accusation like this you should back them up with facts. So please, would you go into details?
Last year's oSC, last and this year's GSoC Money, Travel Support Money [oSC is not enough and I did send a mail to Izabel, so that we can report it to community]. WE have failed to let others know where and wherever it has come from. Since no one asked about it before, but it does not mean anything about it.
What exactly do you think is unaccounted for and how did yo try to account for it? After all you're a board member currently...
Is there an account of whatever we have, I have not seen it anywhere on Paper. I have started off a discussion in the mailing list, I have not seen anyone except Vincent answer it. Topics like http://sfconservancy.org/ etc are coming up in our discussions. I tried to discuss Alan's proposal on it but no one seems to have a strong opinion on it.
Henne
-- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson
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On 28 November 2012 14:56, Manu Gupta <manugupt1@opensuse.org> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Henne Vogelsang <hvogel@opensuse.org> wrote:
Hey Manu,
On 27.11.2012 15:49, Manu Gupta wrote:
But there are donations from the community during oSC's which are totally unaccounted for.
I believe when you throw around an accusation like this you should back them up with facts. So please, would you go into details?
Last year's oSC, last and this year's GSoC Money, Travel Support Money [oSC is not enough and I did send a mail to Izabel, so that we can report it to community]. WE have failed to let others know where and wherever it has come from. Since no one asked about it before, but it does not mean anything about it.
Sorry, I don't follow what you mean.
What exactly do you think is unaccounted for and how did yo try to account for it? After all you're a board member currently...
Is there an account of whatever we have, I have not seen it anywhere on Paper. I have started off a discussion in the mailing list, I have not seen anyone except Vincent answer it. Topics like http://sfconservancy.org/ etc are coming up in our discussions. I tried to discuss Alan's proposal on it but no one seems to have a strong opinion on it.
Ah what you're complaining about is that you haven't seen the accounts for openSUSE, is that correct? If that is the case, I haven't seen your request for the accounts to be made public. Also, at present I believe all funds are held by our corporate sponsor as we as a project do not have a bank account yet, as we have no legal entitlement. If this is indeed the case, then I would say you have a valid point; but the way you made your point by making accusations is very misleading. Regards, Andy -- Andrew Wafaa IRC: FunkyPenguin GPG: 0x3A36312F -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
2012/11/28 Andrew Wafaa <awafaa@opensuse.org>
On 28 November 2012 14:56, Manu Gupta <manugupt1@opensuse.org> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Henne Vogelsang <hvogel@opensuse.org> wrote:
Hey Manu,
On 27.11.2012 15:49, Manu Gupta wrote:
But there are donations from the community during oSC's which are totally unaccounted for.
I believe when you throw around an accusation like this you should back them up with facts. So please, would you go into details?
Last year's oSC, last and this year's GSoC Money, Travel Support Money [oSC is not enough and I did send a mail to Izabel, so that we can report it to community]. WE have failed to let others know where and wherever it has come from. Since no one asked about it before, but it does not mean anything about it.
Sorry, I don't follow what you mean.
What exactly do you think is unaccounted for and how did yo try to account for it? After all you're a board member currently...
Is there an account of whatever we have, I have not seen it anywhere on Paper. I have started off a discussion in the mailing list, I have not seen anyone except Vincent answer it. Topics like http://sfconservancy.org/ etc are coming up in our discussions. I tried to discuss Alan's proposal on it but no one seems to have a strong opinion on it.
Ah what you're complaining about is that you haven't seen the accounts for openSUSE, is that correct? If that is the case, I haven't seen your request for the accounts to be made public. Also, at present I believe all funds are held by our corporate sponsor as we as a project do not have a bank account yet, as we have no legal entitlement.
If this is indeed the case, then I would say you have a valid point; but the way you made your point by making accusations is very misleading.
Regards,
Andy
-- Andrew Wafaa IRC: FunkyPenguin GPG: 0x3A36312F -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Hello, First of all "donations from the community during oSC's" isn't related to the Travel Support Program. The money that TSP uses to sponsor people come from SUSE. So I can just answer about this! More than once Manu asked me details and more than once I told him to make a request through the Board. Well, he never did! Manu you should be more carefully in your acusation. I need details on it. Also to make it all again clear, the TSP DON'T deal with money just with process! Willing to keep the requester's confidentiality the TSP Team won't make public the name or amount approved by person. What we can do, how we already did, its to make public how much generaly we approved and for wich conferences. I presented the results during oSC12 also I sent the same presentation to the Board. Any more questions about TSP you can look http://youtu.be/_qIPS5ICC24 or read carefully https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Travel_Support_Program Please Board step in here and act the best way you can. Izabel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Izabel Valverde <izabelvalverde@opensuse.org> wrote:
More than once Manu asked me details and more than once I told him to make a request through the Board. Well, he never did!
Izabel, I assume you know Manu is a board member. I know nothing about the openSUSE boards processes, but I've been on boards and when I, as a board member, ask for information I expect to get it, not be told to go through the board as a whole. I'm not even sure what that would mean. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:08:51 -0500 Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com> wrote:
I assume you know Manu is a board member.
Manu is one of candidates for the Board. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Rajko wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:08:51 -0500 Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com> wrote:
I assume you know Manu is a board member.
Manu is one of candidates for the Board.
According to https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board he is also presently a board member. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (1.9°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free DNS hosting, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Rajko <rmatov101@charter.net> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:08:51 -0500 Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com> wrote:
I assume you know Manu is a board member.
Manu is one of candidates for the Board.
IIRC, Manu was designated by the board to fill a slot after someone resigned. He is now running to keep his position on the board. Regardless, the opensuse wiki shows him as a current board member. Greg -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Hi, Le mercredi 28 novembre 2012, à 23:56 +0900, Manu Gupta a écrit :
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Henne Vogelsang <hvogel@opensuse.org> wrote:
Hey Manu,
On 27.11.2012 15:49, Manu Gupta wrote:
But there are donations from the community during oSC's which are totally unaccounted for.
I believe when you throw around an accusation like this you should back them up with facts. So please, would you go into details?
Last year's oSC, last and this year's GSoC Money, Travel Support Money [oSC is not enough and I did send a mail to Izabel, so that we can report it to community]. WE have failed to let others know where and wherever it has come from. Since no one asked about it before, but it does not mean anything about it.
That's something I investigated a bit. It's sometimes hard to find answers for funds we got in the past, but here's what I can tell so far: - the GSoC money for this year is being tracked and will be usable the way we want (controlled by the board, as long as the use of that money is legal, bla bla bla :-)). - the GSoC money from last year: we spent part of that to send people to the GSoC summit (and it will be reimbursed by Google, along with the money we'll get for GSoC this year). In short, this is more or less like the paragraph above: we have control of that money. - we got some money from merchandising at the openSUSE Conference this year. As far as I know, this is cash only. We will use that money in a similar way. As it's cash, we need to figure out how to account for that. The idea so far is to spend that money for events we organize (for instance: pay for group dinner during hackatons) - I'm not sure how much money we got from last year's oSC. I'm assuming that would also be cash, and that would be handled the same way as what I wrote above. - for the Travel Support Money: this is something we (the board) need to discuss with the Travel Support team. I can understand they're being careful about disclosing anything there, and I guess they'll feel more comfortable if the decision about disclosing or not disclosing is taken by the board. Now, in general, I would agree we're not doing a great job at tracking the money as we don't have a good process for that (except for the Travel Support, where the team is doing great!). That's something we should fix.
What exactly do you think is unaccounted for and how did yo try to account for it? After all you're a board member currently...
Is there an account of whatever we have, I have not seen it anywhere on Paper. I have started off a discussion in the mailing list, I have not seen anyone except Vincent answer it. Topics like http://sfconservancy.org/ etc are coming up in our discussions. I tried to discuss Alan's proposal on it but no one seems to have a strong opinion on it.
There are two different topics: - proper budgeting and tracking of money we already control (although owned by a third-party entity) - how to be able to receive donations from individuals and companies, to increase the amount of money we can use for the project First topic is something where we can improve today (and we will improve there). Second topic is hard, and something I don't think we should rush as it'll be hard to revert a decision we'll take there. Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
participants (8)
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Andrew Wafaa -
Greg Freemyer -
Henne Vogelsang -
Izabel Valverde -
Manu Gupta -
Per Jessen -
Rajko -
Vincent Untz