Hey Manu, On 27.11.2012 15:49, Manu Gupta wrote:

But there are donations from the community during oSC's which are totally unaccounted for.

I believe when you throw around an accusation like this you should back them up with facts. So please, would you go into details? What exactly do you think is unaccounted for and how did yo try to account for it? After all you're a board member currently... Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

On 28 November 2012 14:56, Manu Gupta wrote:

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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Hey Manu,

On 27.11.2012 15:49, Manu Gupta wrote:

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But there are donations from the community during oSC's which are totally unaccounted for.

I believe when you throw around an accusation like this you should back them up with facts. So please, would you go into details?

Last year's oSC, last and this year's GSoC Money, Travel Support Money [oSC is not enough and I did send a mail to Izabel, so that we can report it to community]. WE have failed to let others know where and wherever it has come from. Since no one asked about it before, but it does not mean anything about it.

Sorry, I don't follow what you mean.

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What exactly do you think is unaccounted for and how did yo try to account for it? After all you're a board member currently...

Is there an account of whatever we have, I have not seen it anywhere on Paper. I have started off a discussion in the mailing list, I have not seen anyone except Vincent answer it. Topics like http://sfconservancy.org/ etc are coming up in our discussions. I tried to discuss Alan's proposal on it but no one seems to have a strong opinion on it.

Ah what you're complaining about is that you haven't seen the accounts for openSUSE, is that correct? If that is the case, I haven't seen your request for the accounts to be made public. Also, at present I believe all funds are held by our corporate sponsor as we as a project do not have a bank account yet, as we have no legal entitlement. If this is indeed the case, then I would say you have a valid point; but the way you made your point by making accusations is very misleading. Regards, Andy -- Andrew Wafaa IRC: FunkyPenguin GPG: 0x3A36312F -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Izabel Valverde wrote:

More than once Manu asked me details and more than once I told him to make a request through the Board. Well, he never did!

Izabel, I assume you know Manu is a board member. I know nothing about the openSUSE boards processes, but I've been on boards and when I, as a board member, ask for information I expect to get it, not be told to go through the board as a whole. I'm not even sure what that would mean. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Rajko wrote:

On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:08:51 -0500 Greg Freemyer wrote:

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I assume you know Manu is a board member.

Manu is one of candidates for the Board.

According to https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board he is also presently a board member. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (1.9°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free DNS hosting, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Hi, Le mercredi 28 novembre 2012, à 23:56 +0900, Manu Gupta a écrit :

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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Hey Manu,

On 27.11.2012 15:49, Manu Gupta wrote:

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But there are donations from the community during oSC's which are totally unaccounted for.

I believe when you throw around an accusation like this you should back them up with facts. So please, would you go into details?

Last year's oSC, last and this year's GSoC Money, Travel Support Money [oSC is not enough and I did send a mail to Izabel, so that we can report it to community]. WE have failed to let others know where and wherever it has come from. Since no one asked about it before, but it does not mean anything about it.

That's something I investigated a bit. It's sometimes hard to find answers for funds we got in the past, but here's what I can tell so far: - the GSoC money for this year is being tracked and will be usable the way we want (controlled by the board, as long as the use of that money is legal, bla bla bla :-)). - the GSoC money from last year: we spent part of that to send people to the GSoC summit (and it will be reimbursed by Google, along with the money we'll get for GSoC this year). In short, this is more or less like the paragraph above: we have control of that money. - we got some money from merchandising at the openSUSE Conference this year. As far as I know, this is cash only. We will use that money in a similar way. As it's cash, we need to figure out how to account for that. The idea so far is to spend that money for events we organize (for instance: pay for group dinner during hackatons) - I'm not sure how much money we got from last year's oSC. I'm assuming that would also be cash, and that would be handled the same way as what I wrote above. - for the Travel Support Money: this is something we (the board) need to discuss with the Travel Support team. I can understand they're being careful about disclosing anything there, and I guess they'll feel more comfortable if the decision about disclosing or not disclosing is taken by the board. Now, in general, I would agree we're not doing a great job at tracking the money as we don't have a good process for that (except for the Travel Support, where the team is doing great!). That's something we should fix.

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What exactly do you think is unaccounted for and how did yo try to account for it? After all you're a board member currently...

Is there an account of whatever we have, I have not seen it anywhere on Paper. I have started off a discussion in the mailing list, I have not seen anyone except Vincent answer it. Topics like http://sfconservancy.org/ etc are coming up in our discussions. I tried to discuss Alan's proposal on it but no one seems to have a strong opinion on it.

There are two different topics: - proper budgeting and tracking of money we already control (although owned by a third-party entity) - how to be able to receive donations from individuals and companies, to increase the amount of money we can use for the project First topic is something where we can improve today (and we will improve there). Second topic is hard, and something I don't think we should rush as it'll be hard to revert a decision we'll take there. Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org