Re: [opensuse-project] End of life - what does it mean ?
Everyone, can we please get back to the thread topic: Does 'end of life' (resp. end of support) for a distribution have to result in its removal from the openSUSE build service ?
From the feedback on opensuse-buildservice, I have the impression that most participant want a 'freeze' and not a 'remove'.
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Am Montag, 21. April 2008 14:17:35 schrieb Klaus Kaempf:
Everyone,
can we please get back to the thread topic:
Does 'end of life' (resp. end of support) for a distribution have to result in its removal from the openSUSE build service ?
From the feedback on opensuse-buildservice, I have the impression that
most participant want a 'freeze' and not a 'remove'.
Comments ? Yes! Although i really understand Adrian's point of view, too. Lets have a look at other projects: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ , ftp://ftp-archive.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD-Archive/old-releases/i386/ The old images are still _available_ but marked as "old" and "unsupported".
I would really propose to leave 10.1 in the BS for some time, but move it to e.g. discontinued: . Also on ftp (repo + update) . So people can softly migrate if needed - but notice it because of changed ftp-space. E.g. what about a popup for YOU (of 10.1) displaying the EOL-Annoucement and propose an update-path after install of latest updates. Best regards Jan-Simon --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Jan-Simon Möller a écrit :
The old images are still _available_ but marked as "old" and "unsupported".
the old suse cd repos are also available, it's about build service here jdd -- http://www.dodin.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Am Montag, 21. April 2008 15:06:56 schrieb jdd:
Jan-Simon Möller a écrit :
The old images are still _available_ but marked as "old" and "unsupported".
the old suse cd repos are also available, it's about build service here
Did you read my proposal ? This is about build service (and images). Best regards Jan-Simon --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Jan-Simon Möller a écrit :
Am Montag, 21. April 2008 15:06:56 schrieb jdd:
Jan-Simon Möller a écrit :
The old images are still _available_ but marked as "old" and "unsupported". the old suse cd repos are also available, it's about build service here
Did you read my proposal ? This is about build service (and images).
build service isos?? your links where to isos repositories do you mean you ask for freezed build service stored as isos? sources or binaries? isn't this very large?? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
The opensuse-education project very much needs the SLE build service tree to add packages to the edu-cd, if for any reason the 10.1 tree is needed to make these packages and then move them to the SLE portion of our disk we would be severely disabled. If, as other people have pointed out, the SLE doesn't always contain needed components that are available in 10.1 then as long as SLE 10 is "handicapped" in this way, the build service should continue to support building packages for 10.1. I know I have used other peoples packages in the 10.1 BS tree in this way. I have also used the 10.1 repo as a source under SLED 10 for a few things. My answer is, anything that makes it possible to use SLE more effectively should remain available. -- James Tremblay aka, SLEducator Director of Technology Newmarket School District Newmarket NH 03857 Founder http://en.opensuse.org/education "Let's make a difference!" Registered Linux user #440182 CNE 3,4,5 CLP 9 CLE in training ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
do you mean you ask for freezed build service stored as isos? sources or binaries? isn't this very large??
No ... you got me wrong ! For BS: move 10.1 to e.g. discontinued:10.1 People needing to build with it can readd the discontinued:10.1 repo. For ftp-version of 10.1: Move the directories also to a discontinued subdirectory. So they're still available. For YOU on 10.1: Display a nag-screen/popup after the last supported update has been installed and propose a upgrade-path. Best regards Jan-Simon --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 02:17:35PM +0200, Klaus Kaempf wrote:
Everyone,
can we please get back to the thread topic:
Does 'end of life' (resp. end of support) for a distribution have to result in its removal from the openSUSE build service ?
From the feedback on opensuse-buildservice, I have the impression that most participant want a 'freeze' and not a 'remove'.
That's also my impression.
Comments ?
I posted numbers about traffic and disk usage for 10.1 on the opensuse-buildservice list. 10.1 generates only few traffic: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-buildservice/2008-04/msg00213.html Space occupied on mirrors by 10.1 (build service repos fallout) is 45G, as reported here: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-buildservice/2008-04/msg00223.html Thus, it is safe to keep that stuff and simply stop mirroring it, whereby mirror disk space (the commonly expressed concern) is not relevant. (We can also remove Factory from mirroring, which will free up stunning 100G.) BTW, regarding 10.1 distro (not buildservice repos), it is no longer mirrored already, since I removed it from all rsync modules last week. Peter -- "WARNING: This bug is visible to non-employees. Please be respectful!" SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Research & Development
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