Hi, Stephan Binner wrote:

On Monday, 19. January 2009 22:22:16 Hans Petter Jansson wrote:

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Hi, I'd like for a new topic mailing list, "opensuse-performance", to be created. We'll use it to coordinate our work towards making openSUSE

We had opensuse-optimize list - which was closed due to lack of traffic:

http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-optimize/2007-11/msg00000.html

Do we need a new list for every few new posts?

I dont think so no. HPJ: Why cant we discuss these issues on opensuse-fatory? :) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Hi, Magnus Boman wrote:

On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 11:27 +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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Stephan Binner wrote:

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On Monday, 19. January 2009 22:22:16 Hans Petter Jansson wrote:

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Hi, I'd like for a new topic mailing list, "opensuse-performance", to be created. We'll use it to coordinate our work towards making openSUSE

We had opensuse-optimize list - which was closed due to lack of traffic:

http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-optimize/2007-11/msg00000.html

Do we need a new list for every few new posts?

I dont think so no. HPJ: Why cant we discuss these issues on opensuse-fatory? :)

Because most discussions ends up being something completely different from the topic.

On opensuse-factory? Sorry this is not true.

There are countless things to be done to make openSUSE boot faster, perform better etc, so why not have a separate ML for it?

Because we already have a list that fits perfectly. Dead lists are a very ugly thing to have and to get rid of. We already have way too many of those. Experience (I'm doing this since 7+ years) shows that lists for a specific task tend to go dead as soon as its done or people change.

Just because there was no interest in the past doesn't mean that it wont happen this time around.

Oh there was interest in opensuse-optimize. Very much so. It was THE hip project in the beginning of opensuse. It went dead after people integrated their ideas into the distribution. So did the list.

The policy when it comes to IRC is "better to create too many, than too few" so why not the same with ML's?

This is certainly not, and never was, my policy :) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 11:27 +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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We had opensuse-optimize list - which was closed due to lack of traffic:

http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-optimize/2007-11/msg00000.html

Do we need a new list for every few new posts?

I dont think so no. HPJ: Why cant we discuss these issues on opensuse-fatory? :)

Because some of the people who're participating are only interested in this, and are already overloaded with e-mail. opensuse-factory is a high-traffic list. We need a low-traffic one. In general I don't think being high-traffic is a good requirement for keeping mailing lists alive. You end up selecting for flamewar lists that way. We need more quiet spaces to work on specialties, even otherwise silent lists where you can join and just start up a discussion with a specific audience (even if there's not a single post in months, the subscriber list remains an asset). Of course, we don't want to fragment the channels too much, but I think "performance" is a very broad topic that merits its own list. -- Hans Petter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org