9 Jan
2009
9 Jan
'09
16:07
Happy new year to all of you.
And sorry for the delay of the meeting minutes.
Best
Michael
openSUSE Board Meeting Minutes
Dec 10th, 8pm - 10:20pm CET
Participants:
Federico Mena Quintero (federico1)
Hendrik Vogelsang (henne)
Michael Löffler (michl)
Bryen Yunashko (suseROCKs)
Pascal Bleser (yaloki)
Joe Brockmeier (zonker), for the first hour
*Advisory Board (zonker)
Proposal get reviewd by Novell's lawyers and then up to the project
mailing list
*Awarding good people
We should award outstanding contributors and good poeple
Everybody agreed, just with what and how to find all valuable
contributors?
*openSUSE conference (zonker)
probably September '09 in the Nuremberg area
Zonker clarified that all openSUSE talks will be public. But there
migth be a few Novell internal talks (eg. company processes)
*FOSDEM
- We should have a talk with the Board, kind of or meet and great (in
our dev room)
- there is probably an open source project track where openSUSE would
fit to participate -> best to contact mlasars on that (AI: yaloki)
*Creation of thoughts page
Done in the Board wiki
*Board blog
Some feel the board should have its own blog or a seperate channel to
communicate. As spotlight.opensuse.org already exists its kind of a
simple task to enlarge this to the openSUSE Board. An zonker is not
lonely anmore.
Everybody agreed to do so.
AI: henne to make this happen
*Board's public presence
To increase Board's presence in the community and visibility in the
public
we agreed on having a public Board Meeting in January together with
the project meeting
Board articles
Rotate each board member to write an article on a topic the board
agrees to speak to the public on.
Bryen writes up an review 2008, the rest will review and should be
sent out soon
Old AIs
*AI henne, post meeting logs to board wiki
Henne had an issue and didn't do it but will mail them around
* michl to write thank you letter
letter written but not sent out, waiting for the flash lights
* Members approval
46 queued up again, should be down to 0 latest end of the month
We'll meet on Dec 17th to go through them
*Contrib repo
http://en.opensuse.org/Talk:Contrib
This turned out in a long, constructive discussion. Meanwhile already
announced, http://news.opensuse.org/2008/12/17/get-going/
Next meeting Jan 14th - a public one with the project meeting
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9 Jan
9 Jan
20:43
*Awarding good people
We should award outstanding contributors and good poeple
Everybody agreed, just with what and how to find all valuable
contributors?
Just wondering... what constitutes an "outstanding contributor" or
"good people"? Someone who files loads of bugs? Someone who babbles
a lot on the user mailing list? What is the criteria?
And how do you keep this from being an inner circle of mutual back
patting? No really, I don't mean that it will be like this... this
is the same question I face in another project I am involved in as we
try to find ways to recognize contributors.
C.
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20:58
On Fri, 2009-01-09 at 20:43 +0100, Clayton wrote:
The truth is that while we came up with a thought of wanting to
recognize significant contributions by individuals, we reached a wall
for the exact same reasons you ask. This topic was also discussed on
Zonker's blog. I don't think we'll be able to come up with an easy
answer, and this idea may not achieve its goal.
However, if someone comes up with a perfect idea, we'd be glad to hear
suggestions. But at this time, I fear we're not going to get anywhere
on this idea, although we really do appreciate all the hard work
everyone does for the Project.
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*Awarding good
people
We should award outstanding contributors and good poeple
Everybody agreed, just with what and how to find all valuable
contributors?
Just wondering... what constitutes an "outstanding contributor" or
"good people"? Someone who files loads of bugs? Someone who babbles
a lot on the user mailing list? What is the criteria?
And how do you keep this from being an inner circle of mutual back
patting? No really, I don't mean that it will be like this... this
is the same question I face in another project I am involved in as we
try to find ways to recognize contributors.
C. 
21:15
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Clayton <smaug42(a)gmail.com> wrote:
And how do you keep this from being an inner circle of mutual back
patting? No really, I don't mean that it will be like this... this
is the same question I face in another project I am involved in as we
try to find ways to recognize contributors.
It's a really difficult question. I know a lot of people are
contributing, but that's because in some way they've reached out for
help in some way or made some noise. I also know that many people are
contributing quietly, in very valuable ways, but it's hard to identify
those folks.
Ultimately, I don't think there's any way to have a 100% objective set
of criteria that's 100% fair, but I'd be happy if we could find
something that's at least closer to that than just picking the
contributors that some group of people happen to notice.
Best,
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22:40
It's a really difficult question. I know a lot of
people are
contributing, but that's because in some way they've reached out for
help in some way or made some noise. I also know that many people are
contributing quietly, in very valuable ways, but it's hard to identify
those folks.
This same discussion pops up from time to time on the OpenOffice.org
community lists... it wobbles back and forth between do we have any
contributors at all to pick from other than a very small core group?
to who do we pick out of all the people who have made small but useful
contributions.
A tough one to resolve. Recognition is important to encourage contributions.
Some ideas/brainstorming/braindump......
Draw a line in the proverbial sand and start collecting input from
that point.. ie, don't grandfather it and award to the people who
stand out right now for whatever reason based on work they did on
previous releases.
Define specific areas for awards, and make it clear that the awards
are for the community contributors.
Award areas could be something like...
- Factory contributions (development, critical bug fixing)
- Build service efforts of some kind
- Community projects (like making a live cd)
- Documentation contributions (wiki, core docs, tutorials, etc)
- Providing consistent helpful responses on mailing lists.
- Taking initiative to provide community help/tools outside of the
Novell sponsored ones (like building up a successful community forum)
Award types:
- Cash is nice :-) Maybe follow a similar vein as what the OOo
Community Council did in providing grants to people so that they could
attend the OOo Conference in Beijing this year (I met several people
there who were only able to attend with the money they received via an
award for a project they worked on).
- Public recognition? I don't know what is good here... but
sometimes simple things like the project leads naming people in a
newsletter, or general email to the project thanking them for their
contributions. Sometimes that is all that is needed.
- Free boxed openSUSE releases?
Ok, I'm running dry here... someone else's turn to do a brain dump now :-)
One thing that seems important in my observations is that those of us
paid to work on open source projects have quite a bit of an advantage
over the community at large... either in high volume project
contributions, or in the ability to attend community events, or some
other factor... and that really needs to be taken into consideration
in however this is dealt with in the long term.
C.
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12 Jan
12 Jan
01:11
On Fri, 2009-01-09 at 22:40 +0100, Clayton wrote:
- Cash is nice :-) Maybe follow a similar vein as
what the OOo
Community Council did in providing grants to people so that they could
attend the OOo Conference in Beijing this year (I met several people
there who were only able to attend with the money they received via an
award for a project they worked on).
I like the idea of funding for outstanding contributors to go to
openSUSE Conferences. But that's probably cost-prohibitive for the
project.
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02:44
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Kevin Dupuy <kevin.dupuy(a)opensuse.org> wrote:
On Fri, 2009-01-09 at 22:40 +0100, Clayton wrote:
It's an idea. I can't say whether we'll have budget for that or not.
I will say this: If we have funds to fly people to the conference, it
will take substantial contributions to qualify for travel assistance.
Best,
Zonker
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- Cash is nice :-) Maybe follow a similar vein
as what the OOo
Community Council did in providing grants to people so that they could
attend the OOo Conference in Beijing this year (I met several people
there who were only able to attend with the money they received via an
award for a project they worked on).
I like the idea of funding for outstanding contributors to go to
openSUSE Conferences. But that's probably cost-prohibitive for the
project. 
15 Jan
15 Jan
09:27
On Friday 09 January 2009 21:15:55 Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier wrote:
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Clayton
<smaug42(a)gmail.com> wrote:
For me, the "People of openSUSE" series was very close to this kind of
recognition.
Stano
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And how do you keep this from being an inner
circle of mutual back
patting? No really, I don't mean that it will be like this... this
is the same question I face in another project I am involved in as we
try to find ways to recognize contributors.
It's a really difficult question. I know a lot of people are
contributing, but that's because in some way they've reached out for
help in some way or made some noise. I also know that many people are
contributing quietly, in very valuable ways, but it's hard to identify
those folks. 
11:02
On Thursday 15 January 2009 08:27:46 Stanislav Visnovsky wrote:
On Friday 09 January 2009 21:15:55 Joe
'Zonker' Brockmeier wrote:
I've been leading "People of openSUSE" almost since the beginning and from
my
experience I must have to say that it is a good way to recognize valuable
community users, indeed.
The thing is that I was forced to stop those series due to personal reasons
(time) and because, to be honest, my interests in the openSUSE community have
changed - I now want to focus my attention mostly on "the truly" development
and not on the marketing/promoting side.
So, if anyone want to pick it up and start running it again please be free to
email me and I will teach you how to handle those interviews quite easily.
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On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Clayton
<smaug42(a)gmail.com> wrote:
For me, the "People of openSUSE" series was very close to this kind of
recognition. And how do you keep this from being an inner
circle of mutual back
patting? No really, I don't mean that it will be like this... this
is the same question I face in another project I am involved in as we
try to find ways to recognize contributors.
It's a really difficult question. I know a lot of people are
contributing, but that's because in some way they've reached out for
help in some way or made some noise. I also know that many people are
contributing quietly, in very valuable ways, but it's hard to identify
those folks. 
18 Jan
18 Jan
11:54
On Thursday 15 January 2009 09:27:46 Stanislav Visnovsky wrote:
On that topic, I would like to see the openSUSE board provide a list of new
members together with one/two sentences of the reason/stuff the new member
has done (for introduction/publication in openSUSE Weekly News).
Bye,
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I also know
that many people are contributing quietly, in very valuable
ways, but it's hard to identify those folks.
For me, "People of
openSUSE" was very close to this kind of recognition.
15:28
On 1/18/09, Stephan Binner <stbinner(a)suse.de> wrote:
On Thursday 15 January 2009 09:27:46 Stanislav
Visnovsky wrote:
On that topic, I would like to see the openSUSE board provide a list of new
members together with one/two sentences of the reason/stuff the new member
has done (for introduction/publication in openSUSE Weekly News).
It'd be nice of the board to provide a new list of members when
they're approved, but I don't think they should have to provide a
justification for each member.
But a "openSUSE welcomes new members ..." each week or so in oWN would be nice.
Best,
Zonker
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I also
know that many people are contributing quietly, in very valuable
ways, but it's hard to identify those folks.
For me, "People of
openSUSE" was very close to this kind of recognition.
15:50
On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 01:28 +1100, Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier wrote:
On 1/18/09, Stephan Binner <stbinner(a)suse.de>
wrote:
This is something we definitely want to do, as soon as we get the new
site set up where we can post our activities. We're still waiting on
that.
On Thursday 15 January 2009 09:27:46 Stanislav
Visnovsky wrote:
On that topic, I would like to see the openSUSE board provide a list of new
members together with one/two sentences of the reason/stuff the new member
has done (for introduction/publication in openSUSE Weekly News).
It'd be nice of the board to provide a new list of members when
they're approved, but I don't think they should have to provide a
justification for each member.
But a "openSUSE welcomes new members ..." each week or so in oWN would be
nice.
I also
know that many people are contributing quietly, in very valuable
ways, but it's hard to identify those folks.
For me, "People of
openSUSE" was very close to this kind of recognition. Best,
Zonker
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19 Jan
19 Jan
11:08
On Sunday, 18. January 2009 15:28:27 Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier wrote:
The potential member has to provide the reasoning. I don't see why openSUSE
(unlike other developer communities) should hide contributor activities or
achievements which can be also incitation to other developers/non-members.
Or do you fear that in the end it would be comprehensible who the board
accepts as openSUSE member and who not? :-)
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On that topic,
I would like to see the openSUSE board provide a list of
new members together with one/two sentences of the reason/stuff the new
member has done (for introduction/publication in openSUSE Weekly News).
I
don't think they should have to provide a justification for each member. 
11:24
Hi,
Stephan Binner wrote:
Or do you fear that in the end it would be
comprehensible who the board
accepts as openSUSE member and who not? :-)
You think its not comprehensible who the board accepts as openSUSE
member and who not? I would like to know why :)
Henne
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20 Jan
20 Jan
09:31
On Monday, 19. January 2009 11:24:38 Henne Vogelsang wrote:
You think its not comprehensible who the board accepts
as openSUSE
member and who not? I would like to know why :)
I think I saw some confusion about in the past. And no, I didn't google every
to me unfamiliar member name to figure out what (s)he may has been done. :-)
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11:25
Hi,
Stephan Binner wrote:
On Monday, 19. January 2009 11:24:38 Henne Vogelsang
wrote:
I would like to know what. I hear this a lot but never specifics...
You think its not comprehensible who the board
accepts as openSUSE
member and who not? I would like to know why :)
I think I saw some confusion about in the past. And no, I didn't google every to me unfamiliar
member name to figure
out what (s)he may has been done. :-)
Nobody expects you too. Although you google a lot :P
Henne
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19 Jan
19 Jan
12:37
2009/1/19 Stephan Binner <stbinner(a)suse.de>de>:
On Sunday, 18. January 2009 15:28:27 Joe
'Zonker' Brockmeier wrote:
The potential member has to provide the reasoning. I don't see why openSUSE
(unlike other developer communities) should hide contributor activities or
achievements which can be also incitation to other developers/non-members.
The thought that such a justification would be widely published in
Weekly News, may be daunting. It might also be rather banal for the
readers.
Wouldn't qualification by categories suffice, when the Board indicate
criteria for acceptance? Things like Packager, Developer, Bug
Reporter, Forum Support, Email Support.
Then the board policy can publically set the bar for qualification by
one category, to reduce the embaressement of rejections, and partial
qualifications can be summed.
As there's publically verfiable archives, there's nothing hidden once
you know what area to look.
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On that
topic, I would like to see the openSUSE board provide a list of
new members together with one/two sentences of the reason/stuff the new
member has done (for introduction/publication in openSUSE Weekly News).
I
don't think they should have to provide a justification for each member.
20 Jan
20 Jan
13:45
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Stephan Binner <stbinner(a)suse.de> wrote:
The potential member has to provide the reasoning. I don't see why openSUSE
(unlike other developer communities) should hide contributor activities or
achievements which can be also incitation to other developers/non-members.
Do other projects post a name + justification for why they accept
certain people for membership? IIRC, Debian has a lengthy process, but
they don't post a "this is why we've given so-and-so Debian Developer
status."
Or do you fear that in the end it would be
comprehensible who the board
accepts as openSUSE member and who not? :-)
I fear nothing! :-)
Seriously, I just don't think that it's necessary -- I'd just be happy
to see a periodic (weekly, monthly, whatever) email that says "the
openSUSE Board is happy to announce that the following openSUSE
contributors have applied and been accepted for membership..."
Best,
Zonker
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14:17
On Tuesday, 20. January 2009 13:45:24 Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier wrote:
Do other projects post a name + justification for why
they accept
certain people for membership? IIRC, Debian has a lengthy process, but
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue124#New MOTU's
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue124#New Ubuntu Members
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10 Jan
10 Jan
08:15
2009/1/9 Clayton <smaug42(a)gmail.com>om>:
A possible way is to do as a lot of lotterys. Disallow members of´r
family members of the controlling entity to participate.
The award could be development hours :-) An outstanding contributor
gets do donate x number ov Novell developer hours to the contributors
choice of projects. The projects could be a list of SUSE areas. (Kind
of a user controlled development.)
cu / birger....
*Awarding good
people
We should award outstanding contributors and good poeple
Everybody agreed, just with what and how to find all valuable
contributors?
Just wondering... what constitutes an "outstanding contributor" or
"good people"? Someone who files loads of bugs? Someone who babbles
a lot on the user mailing list? What is the criteria?
And how do you keep this from being an inner circle of mutual back
patting? No really, I don't mean that it will be like this... this
is the same question I face in another project I am involved in as we
try to find ways to recognize contributors.
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00:12
On Friday 09 January 2009 16:07:37 Michael Loeffler wrote:
As spotlight.opensuse.org already exists its kind of a
simple task to
That is news to me. Again discussing wrong facts?
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Steve
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