Den Monday 14 May 2007 03:44:30 skrev James Tremblay:

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you probably installed it for them giving them the upper hand on "Joe User" in regards to dealing with the package manager. No one is disputing

On Mon, May 14, 2007 3:50 pm, Martin Schlander wrote: that

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once it's installed openSUSE is the most wonderful and usable distro available.

I'm a little split here - I can accept that Novell marketing says it's for enthusiasts. Non-enthusiasts can use it with a little enthusiast-hand-holding - and exactly the same goes for MS Windows or Ubuntu when it's not preinstalled and preconfigured.

Even then - whether Wintendo, The Cult of Mac or SUSE - the "average" user will easily get lost and need some hand-holding.

Do the enterprise users install and configure the system themselves?

I'd think

they have some admins for that.

No, they have low-paid college techs for that.

What percentage of MS Windows users install their own operating system?

To some extent any not-preinstalled OS is for enthusiasts, but

I'd be surprised if it were greater than 2-3%. that's no

reason to discourage people from using it.

Dell and Ubuntu are saying the same thing about Ubuntu - that it's targetting the enthusiast market. It's when Novell people say it's "bleeding edge for geeks" that they really cross the line and my blood starts to boil.

Agreed! That is pretty stupid on the part of Novell. But then this is the same company which trumpeted Netware 4.0 as "better" than the 3.x series. Maybe some of the same marketing clods are working there.

I don't agree with Justin Steinman that we are worse than neither

Ubuntu nor

MS Windows wrt. stability or usability. We certainly have room for improvement, but those products damn sure do too.

My point of view is that Novell people don't seem to realize the quality openSUSE has to compared to other free as in beer distros with regular releases. There's absolutely no reason not to recommend it.

Of course 10.1 was a disaster

...actually only the Beagle thingy (still a problem in 10.2) and Zen (still a problem in 10.2) are disasters. The rest seems to work fine.

but any sane person will have repressed that from their memory. And there's no reason to believe problems of that magnitude can re-occur.

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