Re: [opensuse-project] openSUSE & Attachmate
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:57:42 +0000, Andrew Wafaa <awafaa@opensuse.org> wrote:
SUSE Studio is part of the SUSE business ubit, so yes it comes under the SLE banner. The Build service is indeed part of the openSUSE project.
Ah ... good ... that's more or less what I wanted to hear. I've "invested" time heavily in the SUSE Studio at the expense of OBS. Rather than building packages for OBS I've been packaging them into appliances directly from the upstream source because it gets them into users' hands faster that way. So at some point I need to decide whether to continue down that path or switch to a mode like "package in OBS and distribute using the Add-on Creator".
Basically my understanding from the "interview" is that the status quo remains - there are no changes planned immediately. Attachmate have done enough due dilligence to warrant their purchase, but they will not be able to make any firm descisions or plans on how things go in the mid to long term, which isn't completely unreasonable.
Yes, business decisions are typically made quarterly based on hard numbers and realistic forecasts, not wishes of open source developers or users of "free" services like SUSE Studio. ;-) -- http://twitter.com/znmeb http://borasky-research.net "A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems." -- Paul Erdős -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 20 December 2010 20:31:49 M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:57:42 +0000, Andrew Wafaa <awafaa@opensuse.org>
wrote:
SUSE Studio is part of the SUSE business ubit, so yes it comes under the SLE banner. The Build service is indeed part of the openSUSE project.
Ah ... good ... that's more or less what I wanted to hear. I've "invested" time heavily in the SUSE Studio at the expense of OBS. Rather than building packages for OBS I've been packaging them into appliances directly from the upstream source because it gets them into users' hands faster that way. So at some point I need to decide whether to continue down that path or switch to a mode like "package in OBS and distribute using the Add-on Creator".
Notice that you can package in OBS, then let SUSE Studio build an appliance around that package. Currently you have to import the OBS repository in SUSE Studio to do that but work is ongoing to make that a 'one click' thing ;-)
Basically my understanding from the "interview" is that the status quo remains - there are no changes planned immediately. Attachmate have
done
enough due dilligence to warrant their purchase, but they will not be
able
to make any firm descisions or plans on how things go in the mid to long term, which isn't completely unreasonable.
Yes, business decisions are typically made quarterly based on hard numbers and realistic forecasts, not wishes of open source developers or users of "free" services like SUSE Studio. ;-)
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 20:58:58 +0100, Jos Poortvliet <jospoortvliet@gmail.com> wrote:
Notice that you can package in OBS, then let SUSE Studio build an appliance around that package. Currently you have to import the OBS repository in SUSE Studio to do that but work is ongoing to make that a 'one click' thing ;-)
Yes, actually, I know I can do that. I'm simply too lazy to learn the ins and outs of R, Java and Perl code packaging for openSUSE at the moment and don't have much free time to commit to packaging either. If I had a business model ... ;-) -- http://twitter.com/znmeb http://borasky-research.net "A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems." -- Paul Erdős -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 08:58:58PM +0100, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
Notice that you can package in OBS, then let SUSE Studio build an appliance around that package.
Also note that you can build appliances in OBS, too. You just need to write a .kiwi config file. Cheers, Michael. -- Michael Schroeder mls@suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF Markus Rex, HRB 16746 AG Nuernberg main(_){while(_=~getchar())putchar(~_-1/(~(_|32)/13*2-11)*13);} -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 21 Dec 2010 10:59:30 +0100, Michael Schroeder <mls@suse.de> wrote:
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 08:58:58PM +0100, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
Notice that you can package in OBS, then let SUSE Studio build an appliance around that package.
Also note that you can build appliances in OBS, too. You just need to write a .kiwi config file.
Ah ... how is that different from running Kiwi on my own machine? Other than not having the disk space, RAM and processors tied up for the duration? ;-) Seriously, though, I'm at a natural breakpoint in my development cycle and I'm looking for ways to enhance the automation of my appliance construction. For the R packages, I could install them using SUSE Studio if I code up the API scripts to get the source files uploaded into the overlay area. But there are so many it's a *lot* faster to build the appliance without them, download it, install them on a virtual machine and upload the binary package library as a unit! Plus the R packaging system does the dependency wrangling for me. If only a SUSE Studio build could fetch from the Internet at run time or during test drive ... Still, I think from a marketing perspective, the best approach is probably to switch to creating add-on product media that install on top of a completed openSUSE install. That solves some "branding" edge cases and saves me the trouble of re-creating the entire distro in its pretty-much useless "unbranded" version. ;-) -- http://twitter.com/znmeb http://borasky-research.net "A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems." -- Paul Erdős -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
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