openSUSE Conference & Summit and OSCAL Meeting
Hi all, Please find the notes below from yesterday's meeting on the planning of the openSUSE Conference and the openSUSE Summit at OSCAL. You can also find it at https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/osc220118 Chair: ddemaio Attendees: Sidorela, Redon, ddemaio, knurpht, Emily Topic: openSUSE Conference Planning Copy of meeting notes needs to be sent to opensuse-project@opensuse.org after end of the meeting. Topics being tracked: Next meeting on 25.01 ## Summit at OSCAL Setup of Summit as event (done) Splash Page (wait until CfP) Logo (done) CfP - Annouce one week after OSCAL annouces CfP Video Team T-Shirts Contract (waiting on physical location) Contributors (added to OSEM) #openSUSE Conference The conference will follow the rules set by the ministry of health for the state CfP (article sent out. Closes on April 14) Video Team (needs followup) T-Shirts (need to discuss) Contract (waiting for a signature) Contributors
Am Mittwoch, 19. Januar 2022, 08:09:38 CET schrieb ddemaio:
Hi all, The annual openSUSE survey for users, open-source contributors and community members is available for you to take at https://survey.opensuse.org/. Please consider taking the survey before it expires on Feb. 27. The survey has been open for roughly 48 hours and has already had more than 650 responses. Thank you to those of you who have already taken the survey. Have a great day.
I started doing the survey decided to stop and not finish. Pretty much every single one of the question that offered a "pick one of these answers" options should have been multiple choice instead except for the details about the person answering - and what are those even needed for. -- Mathias Homann Mathias.Homann@openSUSE.org OBS: lemmy04 Jabber (XMPP): lemmy@tuxonline.tech Matrix: @mathias:eregion.de IRC: [Lemmy] on liberachat and ircnet (bouncer active) keybase: https://keybase.io/lemmy gpg key fingerprint: 8029 2240 F4DD 7776 E7D2 C042 6B8E 029E 13F2 C102
On Wed, 2022-01-19 at 08:46 +0100, Mathias Homann wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 19. Januar 2022, 08:09:38 CET schrieb ddemaio:
Hi all, The annual openSUSE survey for users, open-source contributors and community members is available for you to take at https://survey.opensuse.org/. Please consider taking the survey before it expires on Feb. 27. The survey has been open for roughly 48 hours and has already had more than 650 responses. Thank you to those of you who have already taken the survey. Have a great day.
I started doing the survey decided to stop and not finish. Pretty much every single one of the question that offered a "pick one of these answers" options should have been multiple choice instead except for the details about the person answering - and what are those even needed for.
I also refused to complete the survey because of the above reason, and also it just seemed WAY too long.. -- Richard Brown Linux Distribution Engineer - Future Technology Team SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuremberg, Germany (HRB 36809, AG Nürnberg) Managing Director/Geschäftsführer: Ivo Totev
Hi, I don't understand the "What was it?" question on the page "The openSUSE ecoystem and community" Sebastian On 1/19/22 8:09 AM, ddemaio wrote:
Hi all, The annual openSUSE survey for users, open-source contributors and community members is available for you to take at https://survey.opensuse.org/. Please consider taking the survey before it expires on Feb. 27. The survey has been open for roughly 48 hours and has already had more than 650 responses. Thank you to those of you who have already taken the survey. Have a great day. v/r Doug
So the previous question is: What attracted you the most when starting to use an openSUSE distribution? NB: This question is optional. Check all that apply - the distributions - the building tools and quality-assurance - the packages & general software availability - the community and social opportunities - the relation / stewardship from SUSE - other And when the user picks "other" they get: "What was it [this other thing that attracted your the most...]?" Best, Adrien Le 19.01.22 à 09:09, Sebix a écrit :
Hi,
I don't understand the "What was it?" question on the page "The openSUSE ecoystem and community"
Sebastian
On 1/19/22 8:09 AM, ddemaio wrote:
Hi all, The annual openSUSE survey for users, open-source contributors and community members is available for you to take at https://survey.opensuse.org/. Please consider taking the survey before it expires on Feb. 27. The survey has been open for roughly 48 hours and has already had more than 650 responses. Thank you to those of you who have already taken the survey. Have a great day. v/r Doug
Hey!
Took it when i saw the link on Telegram earlier this week
On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 8:10 AM ddemaio
Hi all, The annual openSUSE survey for users, open-source contributors and community members is available for you to take at https://survey.opensuse.org/. Please consider taking the survey before it expires on Feb. 27. The survey has been open for roughly 48 hours and has already had more than 650 responses. Thank you to those of you who have already taken the survey. Have a great day. v/r Doug
On 2022-01-19T08:09:38, ddemaio
Thanks for chiming in! Several people reviewed the survey and the remarks you made didn't raise any flag. However there are issues you rightly identified.
I've got to chime in and second the point - a few of the questions were clearly phrased so that the answer would have had to be multiple choice.
Either rephrase them ("What is the medium *best for*", for example, rather than asking what they are good for, which could have been multiple things), or allow multiple choices.
You are right, using "best for" would have been more fortunate and avoided to conflict with the presupposition that the answer expected multiple results. That said, I don't see how this affect the quality in any way. Bearing the context in mind, the only way for participants to resolve the conflicting presupposition is to take the question to mean: "pick the best for you with regard to <aspect>".
Also, in some cases it said "You can skip this question", but then the "No answer" was already pre-selected.
Further, "No answer" is not the same as "Answering No" - I may not have an opinion on or enough understanding of something, not want to answer "No". Absolutely! When it asked me whether I was using other desktops, there was also no way to answer I'm not using anything else. I agree, again unfortunate wording. Should have caught that. But stats are not harmed yet, are they? Whether respondents picked 'no answer' or skipped the question altogether, we can still say: "Of the y people who took this question out of the z people who took the survey, x told us
I finished it, but I've concerns about the methodology and quality of survey results. I too have concerns, but my preferred solution (make all questions mandatory) will not please everyone and requires a lot of boilerplate (because of the 'no answers' everywhere). I understand the difficulty of keeping survey questions similar so they can be compared to previous ones, and also that designing good surveys is actually hard, but would suggest that in a next iteration, maybe this could be addressed? You won't have to wait for the next iteration: I'll be happy to revisit
That is indeed unfortunate. It's not good that there are two distinct ways of saying "I am not answering this one" (one by skipping, and the other by picking "No answer". That said, I don't think this affect the quality. When I am looking at the data, I see "x people took this question, of which y people picked 'no answer', and by the way z people took the survey." So the missing ys can be deduced from the xs and zs. The deduction is valid under the assumption that those who skipped did it intentionally, but I think there is an alert prompt that makes this assumption safe. As to why we sometimes included 'no answer', this is because there is no way to express "show question B if any (or none) of the answers under question A was picked". To get the existential, you need to make the question mandatory and give it a closed set of answers. However, we might have missed 1 or 2 times where the 'no answer' was not required, and the "you can skip" was enough. If so, I apologize for missing them. Off the top of my head I can't say for sure whether it could harm the stats, but I might be wrong. they were indeed using something beside an oS distro." That's a fine figure to work with. the survey's backend with you whenever you want and take note of any remaining issue.
Regards, Lars Thanks!
Adrien
participants (7)
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Adrien Glauser
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ddemaio
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Lars Marowsky-Bree
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Luna Jernberg
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Mathias Homann
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Richard Brown
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Sebix