Re: [opensuse-project] stupid 12.1
Albert 12/22/11 11:52 AM >>> I really don't understand when something is already good enough, why not try to keep it or make it perfect.
Traditional taskbar+start menu desktop environments are well catered for in the Linux ecosystem. KDE is great, xfce and lxde also. If you only interest is in 'good enough', and you find that GNOME3 isn't good enough for your use case, then please, feel free to experiment with those other environments - openSUSE is a distro that likes its users to pick and choose (and if it's contributors decide to add something like MATE into the mix, and put the work behind it to make it a viable option, good for them and good for the distro) Or alternatively, quit your belly-aching and actually provide the gnome team with some constructive critique and we might actually be able to help make gnome3 better for you and anyone else who feels like you.
To me, the GNOME SHELL is just the rubbish derivate of iOS . Why did people always follow a dead body and admire him as the God of world? Why CANN'T us be another Steve Jobs and create something new or make good things better.
Gnome 3 is not derivative of iOS, nor is it rubbish, nor stupid, nor any of the other disparaging terms you continue to use despite my request you be nice In fact, it IS exactly what you are asking for, and attempt by the GNOME project to "create something new" - a desktop environment that removes as many distractions as possible from the user while still retaining full desktop capabilities. Have you actually used gnome-shell for any serious period of time? I'm getting a growing impression you have a number of very serious misconceptions about the interface, it's intended goals, and the realities of using it. Regards Richard On 12/22/2011 11:50 AM, C wrote:
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:32, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2011-12-22 10:54, C wrote:
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 10:38, Albert wrote:
For the interface itself, why not provide an option during installtion for user to choose GNOME2.X or GNOME3.X? The simple answer to this is... Gnome2.x is no longer developed, no longer supported, and deprecated. It's no longer an option. openSUSE https://features.opensuse.org/312946 Mate repo for openSUSE The description of MATE (from their own readme) makes me laugh....
"MATE Desktop Environment, a non-intuitive and unattractive desktop for users, using traditional computing desktop metaphor."
MATE is not Gnome2... so my comment still stands Gnome2 is museum fodder now.
I hope that MATE is a successful project.
C.
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In fact, it IS exactly what you are asking for, and attempt by the GNOME project to "create something new" - a desktop environment that removes as many distractions as possible from the user while still retaining full desktop capabilities.
Have you actually used gnome-shell for any serious period of time? I'm getting a growing impression you have a number of very serious misconceptions about the interface, it's intended goals, and the realities of using it.
On that topic, there have been a few really good blog entries and writeups explaining the cool features of KDE4 and Activities.... is there something similar for the new Gnome 3 that could be shared here? (or did I miss it in the usual kerfuffle on the oS mailing lists?) On the KDE4 side, a lot of the grumpiness tends to be centred around not understanding the changes, and I would assume the same applies here.. people start it up.. don't immediately see the point and lash out on the mailing lists. Maybe a nicely written "this is what's cool about Gnome 3 and why it'll actually help you do your job" writeup that's aimed at the transitioning user would help? C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 14:11 +0100, C wrote:
On that topic, there have been a few really good blog entries and writeups explaining the cool features of KDE4 and Activities.... is there something similar for the new Gnome 3 that could be shared here?
As a user I looked at the websites and was dreading GNOME3. And at first it was "how the $#@*@( do I do anything?!?!". After a week or so.... I'd never go back. So the initial-shock factor is very much at play here, IMNSHO. <http://www.whitemiceconsulting.com/2011/05/fortnight-with-gnome3.html>
On the KDE4 side, a lot of the grumpiness tends to be centred around not understanding the changes, and I would assume the same applies here.. people start it up.. don't immediately see the point and lash out on the mailing lists. Maybe a nicely written "this is what's cool about Gnome 3 and why it'll actually help you do your job" writeup that's aimed at the transitioning user would help?
I really honestly can't image anyone would choose *NOT* to use the new features. If they don't help the user.... I have no clue what the user is doing [and there seems to be a group that doesn't actually *USE* a desktop/computer - they just fiddle with it and tweak things]. <http://www.whitemiceconsulting.com/2011/12/gnome3-journal-extension_12.html> <http://piecesoflint.wordpress.com/2011/04/05/10-things-i-love-about-gnome-3/> <http://www.gnome.org/gnome-3/> Pretty and multimedia! -- System & Network Administrator [ LPI & NCLA ] <http://www.whitemiceconsulting.com> OpenGroupware Developer <http://www.opengroupware.us> Adam Tauno Williams -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
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