First, commenting on something from Pierre
But in case there has something been said Richard is not ok with, I am convinced Richard can and will speak for himself or seek talks with those persons.
I feel this is a rather nieve view. Consider what has been disclosed publicly already (and consider that it's obviously not the full story). It is clear there was/is a dispute between myself and another contributor. In cases of interpersonal conflict, would you expect conflicted contributors to air all of their dirty laundry in public? I wouldn't, and I'd advise conflicting contributors to resolve such disputes privately if at all possible. Again, it's been publicly mentioned that this conflict included a previous warning given some years ago. Would it not be standard operating procedure of most sensible conflict resolution bodies (eg. the Board) to bind the parties involved to confidentiality? Yes, Pierre as outspoken & undiplomatic as I can be at times, it is wrong to assume that I can always speak for myself. And I'm quite alright with that, it's in the best interests in the Project and the wellbeing of _all_ involved. On Fri, 2020-03-20 at 10:59 +0100, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
I think this kind if remark is what makes you so unpopular in some parts of the project, when your very valuable contributions should make you very popular :-). You can't state regularly than openSUSE is independent and at the same time say a vote can break our relations. If you are true, openSUSE have *no* independence from SUSE.
As long as openSUSE remains a non-legal entity with SUSE as the sole trademark owner of the openSUSE Project, then any indepdenence that openSUSE enjoys is only at SUSE's pleasure. SUSE does after all have a veto on the activities of the openSUSE Project, vested in its Chairman. SUSE has delegated a lot of rights and responsibility to the openSUSE Project by delegating those powers to the openSUSE Board (see Trademark Policy, Travel Support Programme, etc). The Board is of course the main bridge between SUSE Management and the openSUSE Project, with the Board avocating for the communities interests. Without a Board, that bridge would be gone. It would be a matter of unavoidable fact that SUSE would become the sole controlling entity of the openSUSE Project and the community will, constitutionally, have no say in its own future as a SUSE sponsored project. If openSUSE had a Foundation it's legal and constitutional foundations would be far less fragile, but I would expect all efforts to even consider a Foundation are on hold as a result of Pierre's call for a No-Confidence Vote. So the risks are there. It might make me unpopular to mention them, it doesn't make the risks go away. Don't shoot the messenger, especially now I'm no longer Chairman and I only share the message because I still (somehow) care about this Project.
I don't find any rule of how to remove a board member:
https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board
harassment is probably not the best choice :-(
https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election_rules#Removal has the rules in question. "In the event of repeated absence without contact, or other serious misconduct or negligence, a Board member may be subject to removal. Before any other process occurs, the Board member in question will be personally contacted by the chairperson to try to resolve the situation. If this contact does not successfully resolve the situation, the Board member in question may be removed by a vote of 2/3s of the other board members" I believe that recent events by the current Board were conducted under these rules, which I believe are sufficient for protecting the interests of the Project.
Please, if you really think what you said at the beginning: "Voting for new rules would be a progressive change that would bring the community forward and improve the status quo", start proposing what this change can be, thanks
No, because I do not think the rules need to be changed. I fully believing the current Board is doing an exceptional job in terrible circumstances and I am wholly dissapointed in the lack of trust demonstrated by a vocal minority of this community. But as dissapointed as I am, I respect those differing views. Therefore I advocate they suggest rule changes before putting at risk the future of the Project as we know it today. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org