On Friday 21 November 2014 09.19:20 S. wrote:
Hi everyone,
I'm the starter of this thread, and I definitely don't think that all is doom and gloom for openSUSE. I think I mentioned that I have also switched back to openSUSE thanks to the combination of the new Tumbleweed availability and the 13.2 fixed release. I think that the OBS and YaST are two defining features of openSUSE that make it uniquely valuable for my needs, and Packman is also superb, albeit poorly integrated by openSUSE. Again, this is due to all the Patent/crap troll.
openSUSE/SUSE is not allowed to make it easy (change the law, and it will be really easy for us to improve the situation) This means, next time don't vote for those who defend those way of thinking. It's not allowed to pre-install packman or other same kind of repositories on end-user computers. The community repo you are seeing in Yast is a awfully complicated ping-pong (really). But even if we can still improve a bit the situation, with concrete proposal, I don't believe the way you desire it is really possible.
As far as bug handling, I have actually found openSUSE to fairly efficient. I reported a *LOT* of bugs against Factory rolling (now Tumbleweed) and the 13.1 RC, ranging from a few fairly serious, others petty, others "nice to have" requests. Overall, I was fairly impressed with the response I got. In fact, I would say that my experience with bug reporting was significantly better than Arch and Ubuntu, and infinitely better than the offshoot projects that depend completely on a parent distro and don't really fix their own core OS bugs (Mint, Manjaro, etc).
Good to know, and yeah the team behind triage etc on bugzilla deserve a more thankful.
With regards to documentation, frankly I feel that *all* distros except Arch have pretty awful documentation. Ubuntu is huge and commercial, but their documentation is also horrible-- incomplete and terribly out of date. Debian's is also very lacking and assumes great technical knowledge. Only Arch is a shining star of excellent documentation. Fortunately with systemd and other projects that make the underlying system more unified across distros, I just use the Arch wiki for almost everything, and it's mostly applicable to openSUSE too.
Did you check the http://activedoc.opensuse.org/ website. Did you see that website is totally collaborative once you register and login ? Aka, to improve the doc, you can propose, comment etc ???
I don't mean to give the wrong impression with this thread. As I mentioned, I wanted to gauge interest in fixing smallish "paper-cut" issues, not core, fundamental, ideological, or infrastructure-related changes. I don't think openSUSE should be a clone of Ubuntu, but there is considerable room for improvement in terms of ease-of-use and refinement.
For sure, but as already stated, we need people interest in, that have also the strength to commitment. Sure we're legion, but we need legion^2 :-) Thanks anyway for your report, if we're still fighting, just prove we're still alive :-) -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member & Board, fsfe fellowship GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org