On 04/09/2018 20:23, Ana Martínez wrote:
El mar., 4 sept. 2018 a las 10:04, Richard Brown (<RBrownCCB@opensuse.org>) escribió:
On Sun, 2 Sep 2018 at 19:49, Ana Martínez <anamma06@gmail.com> wrote:
When you joined the Board, you joined a decision making body that works as a Team. I expect any team member to support the decisions made of that team. Equally, I expect a well rounded team to also be supportive and open with dissent and complexity in their decision-making.
In our Wiki page[1] does not say anything about supporting decisions a board member don't agree with. But it does say that the board should document decisions and policies. When things are not documented neither discussed, it is normal that your expectations and mines are different.
After that many answers in this email thread I think the board should discuss in the next meeting if we should make public who voted what (I'll ensure this happens).
I think it would be grossly inappropriate for the Board to discuss in private something we have collectively proven to be able to discuss in public.
The fact that we're still having this conversation here means that any move to discuss this in the Board tonight would seem to be to be both hypocritical in the goal for more transparency, and the view that the Board meetings should be focused on topics which cannot be discussed openly. Therefore I will be objecting to any suggestion that we discuss this at tonight's meeting.
I object to not discuss it. 💔
From this thread I get that: - Community wants the votes to be public - I want them to be public - You want them to be private - I am not sure what the other board members want
I would like to know what the others in the board think. More information is always a good thing. 😍
I'd be happy with doing it on a "case by case basis" but i'd expect that given the vast majority of things we have to vote on we would mostly keep it private. I think there are exceptional circumstances where it likely should be private, such as if the board was to remove one of its members or request a new chairman I think the community deserves to fully know why. Personally if we are not making the entire circumstances around the vote public then I do not want the vote to be public similarly if anyone on the board raises an objection to a vote being public for some reason i'd expect the board to keep the result private. Should the board decide to vote on this topic and 3 members want private votes always i'd respect that and also vote for it to be private so its not a 3-3 split. In reality what some people in this thread need to understand is that you elect the board to deal with complex tricky issues that are not well suited to being dealt with by the community as a whole as such alot of the detail often remains private so the project doesn't need to go through crazy mailing list threads and member votes on every issue. I think that if every board vote becomes public then every remotely controversial discussion is going to come out on the mailing list and then there is really very little point in having an openSUSE board in its current form. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B