Richard Brown wrote:
I agree with where you are coming from, but some inline thoughts below:
On 10 February 2016 at 02:08, Jim Henderson <hendersj@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know that I entirely agree, Richard. If someone wants to step up and manage that collection of money, doesn't that fit into the "just do it" approach that we want the project membership to use?
Yes, but the 'cultural' impact on something is important to consider
The last thing I want to see is an increase of people going to openSUSE mailinglists with an attitude of 'I paid for this, therefore you must do as I order'
We have enough of a problem with that attitude still left over SUSE box-set buyers from the years before openSUSE even existed, I wouldn't want to see that added
Absolutely. Mind you, part of this attitude is fuelled/promoted by ourselves when we use terms like "supported" and "no longer supported". Just because we call e.g. openSUSE 13.2 "supported" does not at all imply people will get any support. We might want to get rid of that wording, though I don't know what to replace it with. (I know what we _mean_ when we say "support", i.e. fixes for security other severe issues.) I see potential donations to openSUSE in the same light as donations to e.g. wikipedia. I.e. "I use it, I benefit from it, I'd like to support it". Although it would be better if people would contribute their time and effort, not everyone is willing or capable. Financial contributions might simply make them feel better.
Yes, I agree, but we don't need a non-profit to do that, we need people to do it. We need people to localise materials, design materials, produce materials, distribute materials, attend events, advocate for openSUSE.. aka _CONTRIBUTE_ - not throw money at the problem and expect other people to do it.
A donation would be just another way of contributing. That some people choose to contribute financially should not discourage others from contributing time and effort. Or sweat and tears. Quite a bit like Wikipedia.
If jdd and others want to scratch their itch, yes, fine, but I don't want to give my consent without raising the issues that I see and making it clear that I do not believe the solutions being discussed resolve the issues that are being used to justify this train of thought
I don't think anybody's consent is needed in a do-ocracy. As for which issues we might address with financial contributions, I am also not sure, but that is secondary.
"We should have a non-profit because we wanna do it" is a perfectly valid reason in my humble opinion
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