Hi all I'm sure everyone will have noticed that we, collectively, made substantial progress in taking back our list as our media of communication. There have been, and still are, quite a few interesting topics of discussion over here, and the tone remained civil and even friendly, quite focused, and productive. So let's pat ourselves on the back and keep up the good work :) And if you believe I'm wrong, please let me (or even everyone on the list) know. To fix issues, we first need to be aware of them -- people have different sensibilities and goals, there are difficulties with language, etc..., so if you believe there is something wrong, please let us know instead of staying in your corner with it or even going away :) But let's not keep it there, let's think and discuss about ways to keep improving it. Personally, I believe we should look at ways to improve the productivity of discussions, as the threads are still really long. That is fine (as long as it doesn't go off-topic or turns into a fight), but we might want to think of ways of capturing the results of such discussions as they get swamped easily into the depths of threads. 1. Better threads ----------------- A suggestion (including to myself): when you want to reply something somewhat related, ask yourself whether it wouldn't be better suited as a new thread with a Subject line that better identifies what is is about, that should help focusing threads and making them less long. 2. Capturing the essence in the wiki ------------------------------------ Another idea would be to try to detect when discussions become "TODOs" where we'd need someone to take ownership of the task in order to drive it, and also summarize the topic a bit as a wiki page (e.g. as Fedora does it for its Features pages, e.g. [1] and [2]). That way the substance won't get lost and we avoid repeating the same things over and over again. A very useful task that doesn't require any technical (or other specific) skills by the way and hence up to anyone to jump in and do :) (Owning a task doesn't mean that you need to have expertise on it, but rather that you see it as your job to extract substance and summarize discussions on that thread/topic, and maybe even poke a few people to get things done.) [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/systemd [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove cheers -- -o) Pascal Bleser /\\ http://opensuse.org -- we haz green _\_v http://fosdem.org -- we haz conf