On Friday 06 December 2013 22:33:03 Adam Spiers wrote:
Henne Vogelsang (hvogel@opensuse.org) wrote: <snip>
Like I've said in the beginning. It might be your intention to only achieve the things you are trying to achieve (measure trust, credit and guide people etc.) but in the end with any type of gamification system you will impact peoples engagement and motivation, it's inseparable. You have to be very careful with that, you can easily destroy communities with it.
Agreed.
Henne, that was a fantastically useful and well-thought out post, which shows that the topic is a lot more complicated than most of us (me included) understand. Thanks a lot!
I concur, this was an insightful post. As I wrote in my email a bit earlier, I am very much aware of the many pro's and con's to these social issues. Even in the team we don't all want and expect the same things from this idea - which is why it would be good to have insights from people like henne and many others in this thread. What I was hoping to achieve with this discussion is to get some kind of agreement that, despite the possible downsides, there are aspects of karma-ish things we could use for good. I personally really do believe that. That doesn't mean it is simple and we should have a very close look at each of the things we might try to implement. As I wrote, starting small, keeping close to the community with a feedback loop of continuous scrutiny of our goals and implementations, those are crucial to get the benefits but not the downsides. I think we all agree that making contributions more visible is a good idea with few, if any, downsides. I would suggest to start there. Show on OBS projects how many users it has, show on user pages what he/she does in openSUSE: plain and simple 'making things more visible'. As mentioned, badges and 'tricks' like that only have limited application - mostly for relatively simple and boring tasks. I don't think it helps anybody to get a badge for building and contributing a new kernel. But perhaps it would be nice for a new user who made his or her first edits to the wiki to get this visible on his/her profile page? Stackoverflow and other projects have shown that there are ways to do better - let's try and learn from that. /J -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org