Robert Schweikert wrote:
How are KDE4 and systemd not community driven?
Why don't you explain the opposite to me? What were the decision processes involved in the focus-shift towards KDE4?
OK, I'll be partially repeating what I said in the thread when we discussed systemd.
Those who contribute to any given devel project within openSUSE determine the direction of the project by means of their contribution.
If a given devel project such as the init system or KDE happens to have mostly contributors that also happen to work at SUSE than that's just the way it is. However, this does not preclude contributors that do not work for SUSE, there's no "SUSE employees only" project in openSUSE, to contribute to the devel project. With contribution one gets influence over the direction of the project.
I have contributed to a quite a few (non-opensuse) projects over the last 10+ years, my contributions have never led to much influence :-) Not to say that you're wrong, just that by contributing to the openSUSE project, one does not also automagically gain any influence. It is perfectly acceptable that it needs a lot more than the odd contribution, but when the main contributors' day-jobs are paid for by SUSE, a few spare hours per month from someone in the Outer Hebrides is unlikely to gain much traction (influence-wise). Personally I feel more compelled to participate where my contribution matters, but I'm a long-time SUSE user, and can't give up on it so easily.
There is nothing that prevents someone from maintaining the init system in openSUSE, just don't expect it to happen by some miracle, it takes people to do it
Agreed, and those seem to be being supplied by SUSE. Who is control, did you say? If SUSE didn't pay, systemd wouldn't be happening.
and if the people who maintain the startup processes decide that something new is better and they don't break what I am doing I have little grounds to complain.
Different topic, but systemd is breaking quite a few things these days. I seem to remember reading about postfix and virtualbox just today.
If something breaks I get an opportunity to contribute and I can file a bug.
Also a different topic, but I've recently filed one or two bugs and been told not to expect much as the SUSE employee looking after that is busy elsewhere.
As long as I do not contribute to a given project I certainly have no grounds to bitch and complain about the direction the project takes. I certainly can voice my opinion, but that should occur in a well mannered tone.
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